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    Quote Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist View Post
    Flash wins.---

    I wonder if the version of Jay Garrick after the speed force was gone, who couldn't outright break the sound barrier, could also take down Logan though???
    Moving at 600 mph? More than 10x as fast as Logan?

    Wolverine would still be moving through treacle compared to him. Every movement takes 10x as long for Wolverine to do, allowing Jay to move in, do something, move out, move around Logan, study him, hit him in the kidney's sixteen times at close to mach speed, etc.

    Where's that youtube of Hercules fighting Morrigan, who looks to be about 5x faster than he is?

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    1, yes this is wally flash
    2. i said in the jungle givinng thrm miles of seperation so wolverine has the advantage he can find wally way easier then he can find him

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    2. i said in the jungle givinng thrm miles of seperation so wolverine has the advantage he can find wally way easier then he can find him
    No he can't. Wally can search or destroy the entire jungle at a relaxed pace quicker than Logan can blink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    1, yes this is wally flash
    2. i said in the jungle givinng thrm miles of seperation so wolverine has the advantage he can find wally way easier then he can find him
    yeah. considering that wally can move billions of times the speed of light, he can search EVERY jungle in the world in the first half second, on one leg, while eating a subway sandwich, it doesnt matter where you put them. logan dies and he doesnt realize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    1, yes this is wally flash
    2. i said in the jungle givinng thrm miles of seperation so wolverine has the advantage he can find wally way easier then he can find him
    Unless this is Wally West back in the earliest issue of Flash, before he discoverd the speed force, and before his first fall out with his Fat Friend, no version of Wolverine can every so much as think before Wally wins....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ωgar "Omegalith" Lithagon XVI View Post
    No he can't. Wally can search or destroy the entire jungle at a relaxed pace quicker than Logan can blink.
    how does he destroy jungle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Moving at 600 mph? More than 10x as fast as Logan?

    Wolverine would still be moving through treacle compared to him. Every movement takes 10x as long for Wolverine to do, allowing Jay to move in, do something, move out, move around Logan, study him, hit him in the kidney's sixteen times at close to mach speed, etc.

    Where's that youtube of Hercules fighting Morrigan, who looks to be about 5x faster than he is?
    I didn't think it would be that one-sided against that version. I was assuming being within the peak-human range of speed would mean he could react to objects coming at him faster, and that not being able to run as fast wouldn't be that big a deal. So, for example, Logan tries to anticipate when Garrick is going to come in, lets himself get hit (not like he can stop it anyway), and then grabs hold of Garrick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    yeah. considering that wally can move billions of times the speed of light, he can search EVERY jungle in the world in the first half second, on one leg, while eating a subway sandwich, it doesnt matter where you put them. logan dies and he doesnt realize it.
    yea wolverine would know this he would find somewhere to hide quickly then he has the advantage he can easily find a way to sneak up on him

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    how does he destroy jungle
    any damn way he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    yea wolverine would know this he would find somewhere to hide quickly then he has the advantage he can easily find a way to sneak up on him
    What advantage?

    He's a statue. He can't even SEE Flash. Flash can literally turn over every leaf in the jungle before Logan moves two feet from his starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    yea wolverine would know this he would find somewhere to hide quickly then he has the advantage he can easily find a way to sneak up on him
    and what's to stop wally from IMPing him in the first quarter second of the fight?

    do you have any idea how truly fast wally is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    and what's to stop wally from IMPing him in the first quarter second of the fight?

    do you have any idea how truly fast wally is?
    yes but when flash dosent know where he is its still harder for him wolverine know his surrondings he will find a place to hide and quickly

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    Quote Originally Posted by carnage#1Symbiote View Post
    yea wolverine would know this he would find somewhere to hide quickly then he has the advantage he can easily find a way to sneak up on him
    You don't seem to be getting it.

    Wally West Flash is fast enough to search the entire jungle before Wolverine is even able to take one step. Once Wolverine is found Flash can take his time to do basically whatever he wants to do to Wolverine.

    And even if Logan somehow managed to sneak up on Wally and attacked him from behind it wouldn't help him. Flash would just starting moving so fast that Wolverine might as well be standing still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becoming An Anthropologist View Post
    I didn't think it would be that one-sided against that version. I was assuming being within the peak-human range of speed would mean he could react to objects coming at him faster, and that not being able to run as fast wouldn't be that big a deal. So, for example, Logan tries to anticipate when Garrick is going to come in, lets himself get hit (not like he can stop it anyway), and then grabs hold of Garrick.
    It's not just running fast. It's reaction time, as well - Jay's reaction time and speed grossly exceeds that of Logan. I can run at 15-20 mph. I can react at speeds far greater than that, catching thrown balls, blocking strikes moving far faster than 20 mph, etc.

    To Jay, Wolverine is moving in slow motion. Logan lets himself get hit and reaches for Jay. To Jay, the hand slllloooooowwwwwlllllyyyyy crrrrraaaaawwwwwlllllssss toward him.

    Jay wanders around behind Logan while Logan is still reaching for where he thinks Jay is, and punches him in the kidneys with a 600 mph fist.

    People do NOT realize the enormous advantage a PIS-off speedster has.

    Let's put it this way - what happens when a bullet-timer fights Logan in Rumbles? Logan gets blitzed.

    A 600 mph Jay Garrick will blitz bullet-timers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Soul # 7 View Post
    You don't seem to be getting it.

    Wally West Flash is fast enough to search the entire jungle before Wolverine is even able to take one step. Once Wolverine is found Flash can take his time to do basically whatever he wants to do to Wolverine.

    And even if Logan somehow managed to sneak up on Wally and attacked him from behind it wouldn't help him. Flash would just starting moving so fast that Wolverine might as well be standing still.
    one hit out of his claws and its over no way flash iis getting up after one hit attack with his claws

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