Young Justice

[Schornforce]

But why go undercover as Green Arrow's niece? The fact that she wasn't included in the initial group of sidekicks indicates that she's not part of their circle and they don't know her. In which case, if she was Wonder Girl there'd be no need for her to pretend to be someone else they didn't know. Just introduce her as herself. Also, her exchange with Cheshire indicated that the two of them knew each other and that Artemis has a secret she is trying to hide and that Cheshire knows what it is. That would seem to rule out Wonder Girl as it seems unlikely she'd have any history with the League of Shadows.

True.

I forgot about the Cheshire conversation.

My theory was somewhat based on thoughts that if SB does indeed go rogue, a tactical maneuver could be to have a superpowered hero onhand pretending to be an unpowered one. Of course, I contradicted this by talking about the gauntlet and sandals. :P Superboy would see her as no threat and probably engage the more powerful teammates Miss Martian and Aqualad first.

Another reason for my theory was just based on the name... why 'Artemis' for someone not based in the WW mythos? Arrowette or Speedy (with Roy taking a different name, as questioned earlier in the thread) would've been a viable choice for Green Arrow's 'niece.' Just seems odd to me.

I could just be reading too much into it, though. Just wanted to throw my theory out there.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I still stick to the Artemis Crock theory. Sportsmaster has appeared, Artemis introduced herself to Kent Nelson as Artemis and KF as Wally, and is an expert in both long bow and crossbow, just like the comic Artemis was. Either she's there as the "mole" of the team, or is just trying to redeem herself and is ashamed of her villain parents.

[Surtur]

First of all I seem to be seeing many people saying "Superman isn't perfect" in defense of his actions. I don't recall anyone claiming he was perfect, it does not take a perfect human being to act in the way people think Superman should be acting.

Yes he has no obligation, and yes him being creeped out by it is reasonable, but at the end of the day, normal Superman from the comics would absolutely not act this way..but as has been pointed out this is a different universe.

I think that's pretty much all there is to say about that issue. It's just let's not have people thinking that because comic Superman is flawed that he is somehow like the YJ version, which is definitely not true. Both versions are flawed, but the YJ one is flawed in completely different ways. Though maybe we can blame that on sheer inexperience.

To get back to the show itself, I'm hoping neither Superboy nor Artemis turn out to be a traitor.

Has this villain group called "The Light" ever appeared in comics?

[Mr. Holmes]

it does not take a perfect human being to act in the way people think Superman should be acting.]

The opposing side from the creators and people like myself would argue it more or less does.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Has this villain group called "The Light" ever appeared in comics?

Nope. Though it is made up of several major DC villains. It was more or less given away that the Brain is a member. Ra's al Ghul and Vandal Savage are STRONGLY hinted to be in. Lex Luthor is an educated guess. We don't know beyond that.

[90'sCartoonMan]

This might sound weird, but watching the episode again, it kinda struck me as odd how much sexual chemistry they seem to be putting into the team. Does anyone else feel the same way?

They're hormonal teenagers, it'd be weird to me if they didn't act that way.

The guy's freaked out at the fact that someone took his DNA without consent, created a clone out of him (this concept is actually pretty new in this universe), a clone that was designed to possibly kill and replace him, and on top of that, is expected to take care of him all of a sudden and without being prepared, and HE'S the douche? I don't condone what he's doing, but it's not a cakewalk either. I ultimately feel bad for both him and Superboy.

Yeah, and also considering how Superman has been depicted acting towards Supergirl and Bizarro, he never tried to adopt them and raise them as his own child.

I'm sure they'll redeem Superman in a future episode, but right now, I feel he's conflicted. He's the last of his kind, all that was Krypton is carried on through him, and part of him does want back what he lost, but what Cadmus did to his DNA is a perversion, and it freaks him out. At the same time, though, he doesn't want Superboy completely gone, that's why he allows him to wear his symbol. In time, hopefully, Superman will see Superboy as someone fit to carry on Krypton and the El family name.

Wouldn't a Captain Marvel Family character be redundant with Superboy on the team?

Hey, they were ready to let Red Arrow join the team with Artemis on it. I'd love to see CM3 or Mary guest star, though, and we already know Captain Marvel is active in this universe.

[Jared]

The opposing side from the creators and people like myself would argue it more or less does.

There's plenty of room between "perfect" and "coming off like a callous douche bag." As hard this situation might be for Superman, he must know it's far harder for Superboy. Superboy outright asked Clark to show him the ropes with his powers, and he just flew away! What's especially bad about is that Superboy is potentially a tremendous danger to those around him if his powers develop beyond his control or understanding. Again, when Batman is calling you out on your dickery, you're doing something wrong.
How about this: imagine if Superman in TAS, or the comics, or the Apocalypse movie, had acted like this when Supergirl shows up. Would anyone defend him? Hell, if Connor on this show was instead a female experiment named Connie, and Supes acted the same way, there'd be much less sympathy for his behavior.

[Schornforce]

How about this: imagine if Superman in TAS, or the comics, or the Apocalypse movie, had acted like this when Supergirl shows up. Would anyone defend him?

I would have *definitely* defended him had he acted that way in the Apocalypse movie. I would've sided with Batman and Wonder Woman's viewpoints.

But, really, it's not the same thing. Superboy was created by violating Superman physically and psychologically. Supergirl wasn't.

Also, as stated several times, YJ Superman doesn't equate necessarily to any other version of Superman. We don't know how this Superman was raised, what his experience/life is like, etc. Who says Superman knows how hard this is for Superboy? This could be a vastly new/alien experience for him. Additionally, as stated by many posters here, no one seems to think Clark will never come around, but he's not gonna just 'get over it.'

[Jared]

I would have *definitely* defended him had he acted that way in the Apocalypse movie. I would've sided with Batman and Wonder Woman's viewpoints.

Batman's view was "don't trust her yet, it might be a trap." Wondy's was "she needs training." Neither of them was "let's have nothing to do with her, because this makes us feel uncomfortable."

[Schornforce]

Batman's view was "don't trust her yet, it might be a trap." Wondy's was "she needs training." Neither of them was "let's have nothing to do with her, because this makes us feel uncomfortable."

True enough. My bad.

I just thought Supes was *too* quick to trust and could have scaled it back considerably. Which is another part of what Batman and Wonder Woman tried to do, mainly for the 'she could be a trap' reasons.

[kalorama]

How about this: imagine if Superman in TAS, or the comics, or the Apocalypse movie, had acted like this when Supergirl shows up. Would anyone defend him? Hell, if Connor on this show was instead a female experiment named Connie, and Supes acted the same way, there'd be much less sympathy for his behavior.

Well, that's pure unprovable conjecture, isn't it? And as such, it doesn't do much to support your argument.

[Surtur]

Yeah, and also considering how Superman has been depicted acting towards Supergirl and Bizarro, he never tried to adopt them and raise them as his own child.

Everything else aside, Superman actually did try to help out both of these characters. Heck Superman has sometimes even tried to help Bizarro even after the guy has committed various acts of villainy.

[Addams]

True enough. My bad.

I just thought Supes was *too* quick to trust and could have scaled it back considerably. Which is another part of what Batman and Wonder Woman tried to do, mainly for the 'she could be a trap' reasons.

Supes always prefers trust over paranoia. That's one of his most lovable quality.

[joemagnum611]

Once again this is Earth-16. It's not the Superman that we all know so there's no reason for him to act the way you all want/expect him to. I don't see the big deal. It's not like he won't turn it around before the season

[MagSeven]

I have no problem with Superman here. He has absolut no obligation to Superboy. His behaviour is perfectly understandable.

Superman has no technical obligation to anyone. He does good things because of how Ma and Pa Kent raised him. What would Ma and Pa think of his behavior towards Superboy? Maybe we'll find out soon.