How is the Justice League stronger than the Avengers?

[UltraMagnetic]

As for Sentry, he has yet to show he could even think before Flash has speed stolen him or Speed Force dumped him. That's how ridiculous fast Flash can be.

The last time (to my memory) Flash (Wally) speed dumped someone it was Superboy Prime and he needed the assistance of both Jay and Bart to do it. And really, Sentry/Void is as powerful as he is crazy. He beat the Molecule Man at his own game. Sentry's "died" repeatedly and kept coming back. I don't think there's anything Flash can do that'll keep the Sentry/Void down.

[Sharpandpointies]

Rumbles Mod Ruling regarding Flash speed-stealing Sentry: No can do.

Zoom has shown that the sort of speedstealing Flash does fails against 'speed' that comes from altered time.

Time and time again, they've made the point that at least some of the Sentry's speed comes from being '2 seconds ahead' or whatever, that it comes at least in part from time manipulation.

This came up a while back.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Rumbles Mod Ruling regarding Flash speed-stealing Sentry: No can do.

Zoom has shown that the sort of speedstealing Flash does fails against 'speed' that comes from altered time.

Time and time again, they've made the point that at least some of the Sentry's speed comes from being '2 seconds ahead' or whatever, that it comes at least in part from time manipulation.

This came up a while back.

Really?


Did not know that.


Still doesn't stop him from IMP'ing Sentry multiple times before he blinks.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

The last time (to my memory) Flash (Wally) speed dumped someone it was Superboy Prime and he needed the assistance of both Jay and Bart to do it. And really, Sentry/Void is as powerful as he is crazy. He beat the Molecule Man at his own game. Sentry's "died" repeatedly and kept coming back. I don't think there's anything Flash can do that'll keep the Sentry/Void down.

Ten count win.


Wally IMP's him enough to put him down for the Ten Count.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Captian America by far has the strength and stamina advantage over Batman, but I think that with Batman's resources and superior fighting and tactical skills, he'd end up on top.

It's a common misconception about the strength, actually.

Bruce has kicked down tree trunks, ripped large AC vents off of buildings (from a poor angle at that), pulled chains apart, and other ridiculous beyond human level strength before.


Heck, he once even held a pressure sensative roof of a cage like object up up (said to weigh exactly1000 lbs. It was a trap made by a villian) while about to be mauled by a lion.

[UltraMagnetic]

It's a common misconception about the strength, actually.

Bruce has kicked down tree trunks, ripped large AC vents off of buildings (from a poor angle at that), pulled chains apart, and other ridiculous beyond human level strength before.


Heck, he once even held a pressure sensative roof of a cage like object up up (said to weigh exactly1000 lbs. It was a trap made by a villian) while about to be mauled by a lion.

Cap has fought Class 10 bricks without his shield, punched through brick walls, and has bent iron cell bars. Cap's stronger period.

[Cleric of Hell's Brigade]

Cap has fought Class 10 bricks without his shield, punched through brick walls, and has bent iron cell bars. Cap's stronger period.

So has Batman though.


I'm not saying Cap isn't stronger, he is. Just not that much stronger.

[mailedbypostman1]

Still doesn't stop him from IMP'ing Sentry multiple times before he blinks.

I don't know if that'll stop him. Sentry's durability is no joke.

[Frogboy]

Sentry's been killed by magic and came back in no time, which makes him at least more durable then Superman, plus he has no red sun or kryptonite weaknesses either.
In fact, those three weaknesses of Superman can be easily manipulated by any number of Avengers, including Thor (He is a magical entity), Scarlet Witch, Ms Marvel, Photon, Quasar....and that's just pre-90s.
I know that's just one JLA member, but if he is, as said, the most powerful of the league....Well.

[mailedbypostman1]

Sentry's been killed by magic and came back in no time, which makes him at least more durable then Superman, plus he has no red sun or kryptonite weaknesses either.
In fact, those three weaknesses of Superman can be easily manipulated by any number of Avengers, including Thor (He is a magical entity), Scarlet Witch, Ms Marvel, Photon, Quasar....and that's just pre-90s.
I know that's just one JLA member, but if he is, as said, the most powerful of the league....Well.

Misconception. Superman actually doesn't have a magical "weakness" like he does Kryptonite, its just that he's more easily affected by it than with pure physical force. I'm pretty sure it needs to be "turn you into a frog" magic, and not magic lightning too.

[Frogboy]

Misconception. Superman actually doesn't have a magical "weakness" like he does Kryptonite, its just that he's more easily affected by it than with pure physical force. I'm pretty sure it needs to be "turn you into a frog" magic, and not magic lightning too.

Fair enough, I'll withdraw the magical weakness from my argument. I'd like to keep Scarlet Witch on that list, just because she can preform elemental transformations, whipping up a hunk of kryptonite shouldn't be a problem.

[AllisterH]

Er no.

There's no way Aquaman is beating Namor.

Someone seems to have a misundertanding of the 100 ton scale Marvel uses.

To put it bluntly, Namor's strength puts him on the same level as people like Thor and Hulk.

Aquaman is NOWHERE near this level of strength.

As for Namor's speed, um, he has been shown multiple times to actually fly/swim faster than jet fighters. Where are you getting this idea that he only can do 75 knots?

As for the JLA vs Avengers, that's actually been one of the problems for the JLA. Few writers other than Morrisson have shown the capabilities in writing such a god level team in terms of threat levels.

[hippie_hunter]

Er no.

There's no way Aquaman is beating Namor.

Someone seems to have a misundertanding of the 100 ton scale Marvel uses.

To put it bluntly, Namor's strength puts him on the same level as people like Thor and Hulk.

Aquaman is NOWHERE near this level of strength.

As for Namor's speed, um, he has been shown multiple times to actually fly/swim faster than jet fighters. Where are you getting this idea that he only can do 75 knots?

Marvel Database. And to be fair, I've never seen Namor go faster than jet fighters either.

As for the JLA vs Avengers, that's actually been one of the problems for the JLA. Few writers other than Morrisson have shown the capabilities in writing such a god level team in terms of threat levels.

Agreed.

[mailedbypostman1]

Marvel Database. And to be fair, I've never seen Namor go faster than jet fighters either.

we don't use tha in Rumbles, we go by what the characters have done. Namor has done stuff way beyond his marvel rating.

[oanswat]

Current JLA VS Avengers

I'm going to go with the somewhat post-siege, somewhat post-blackest night teams of...

Steve Rogers
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Spider-man
Wolverine
Luke Cage
Spider-Woman
Ms. Marvel
Mockingbird
Ronin

VS

Mon-El
Batman (Dick Grayson)
Donna Troy
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Cyborg
Guardian
Starfire
Atom
Dr. Light
Starman
Congorilla

-Grayson takes out Spider-man
-Rogers takes out Grayson, he couldn't beat Bruce but Dick is another story.
-Captain America takes the Guardian
-Iran Man would probably lose to cyborg considering Iron man lost his Extremis abilities.
-Thor would be a hell of a handfull but I think the combined efforts of Mon-El and Hal Jordan could take him. Mon-El would be taken out of the fight somehow from it though.
-Luke Cage would take out Congorilla
-I could see Ms. Marvel taking out Dr. Light but Donna Troy coming in with the win over Marvel.

This scenario leaves Wolverine, Rogers, Cap, luke cage, spider-woman, mockingbird and Ronin VS Donna Troy, Hal Jordan, Starfire, the Atom, cyborg and starman

-Wolverine could then take down cyborg and possibly the Atom if he gets tricky.

-That leaves Hal, Starfire, Starman and Donna Troy VS Wolverine, Cage and the non-powered, non-flight avengers. Hal Could probably take care of the rest of them by himself but he doesn't have to.... I guess this goes to the JLA.

Funny, I started this thinking it'd be the avengers taking the win but I guess on paper it didn't work out that way. Even if Thor was still in the field he'd have to take down Hal and Donna with a little help from Starfire and Starman. It seems to me that Hal makes the big difference here. The ring just flat out beats the hammer, it's more versatile and that's the difference. All of the amazing things that Mjolnir is capable of the ring can do and more.