Amora the Enchantress Appreciation

[Atren]

Does anyone imagined a team-up between Amora the Enchantress, The Valkyrie, Lady Sif and Lorelei?

Perhaps it would be very tense team because of the relationship between the 4 goddesses and difficult to see them fighting together.

The Valkyrie hates Amora, because what she did to her in the past, but probably she have a great respect for Sif, and possibly about Lorelei, she cares little despite being the sister of the woman who did her so much damage.

Amora respects little and simply she do not care about Sif, because of that, she has never done anything against her in the past despite all her advances to seduce Thor, she has a very tense relationship with her younger sister but she loves her more than she is able to admit, and in the case of the Valkyrie, Amora may prefer to stay away from her.

Lorelei does not care too much about the Valkyrie, she hates and loves at once her sister but her pride and ambition allows her to recognize her own mistakes, and she has a strained relationship with Sif though she seemed to know her quite well but it is unable to understand Sif, maybe they were friends in the past or simply more than one occasion they had crossed their paths.

Sif possibly have a great respect for the Valkyrie, both are warriors, it's funny that we never see them fight together or against each other. With Lorelei, Sif possibly feel the same as Lorelei feel for her, hates her and is not able to understand Lorelei and more after when Lorelei had provoked Thor hurts Sif. And Amora, Sif possibly understand Amora and what does what she does, but feels nothing special despite all the times Amora tried to seduce Thor, possibly she feel envy.

Such teamup would be disaster simply. Only friendly connection between those would be between Sif and Valkyrie with rest being not so friendly between themselves. Both Amora and Lorelei would be isolated. Sif would have to play mediator between others as in my opinion Valkyrie hates Amora far more than Sif.

Best bet to get all four involved would to have fight between Amora and Lorelei which other two ladies would have to break up before something horrible happens.

[Charlie_1981]

Such teamup would be disaster simply. Only friendly connection between those would be between Sif and Valkyrie with rest being not so friendly between themselves. Both Amora and Lorelei would be isolated. Sif would have to play mediator between others as in my opinion Valkyrie hates Amora far more than Sif.

Best bet to get all four involved would to have fight between Amora and Lorelei which other two ladies would have to break up before something horrible happens.

Possibly but it would be great to see the four goddesses, fighting together, to end it the tensions between them reaching a point where they would have to leave the bitterness, hatred, revenge ... to work together to ... for example, save Asgard, would be very interesting to see.

The relationship of the four goddesses, could reach to a very hard points of tension and even of understanding to be in a situation that none of the four would have liked, with the Valkyrie trying to control her anger for not to kill Amora, Amora and Lorelei trying to be better sisters making Lorelei decides to forgive her and forget her own pride (a fight between the two sisters would be very good, by the rancor that Lorelei can have for her sister), and Sif perhaps could be the leader of that group and who had to prove to Thor or any Asgardian to know she has the potential to be a respected leader.

[superchick]

Preview up, the dialogue is painful, 'Make it stop' indeed.

[Charlie_1981]

Preview up, the dialogue is painful, 'Make it stop' indeed.

Yeah, I saw it, I have no hope for the continuation of the story, this is what I said some weeks ago before the current story began, I expected some thing better and although the artist (Pepe Larraz) is good, I had never seen anything of him before and that he is Spanish like me, but his art was unknown for me until now and while he does his work so well and does it better than the previous artist, I do not think that this can save the story itself. I hate to say it but the portrayal of the Enchantress is a bit bad but could have been worse, maybe it was by the horrendous new costume, I hope she will return to the previous one.

[The_Greatest_Username]

That one's a little too simple for me, but I do like the headgear.

[Charlie_1981]

That one's a little too simple for me, but I do like the headgear.

Totally agreed but at least it is better than the new one, though sometimes this costume has some variations like a short pants but the best is the previous one with the black stockings with green circles inside.

[Charlie_1981]

Two pics

Lorelei had her own plans and her pride and ambition blinded her but



... she didn´t knew what her sister had prepared for her by her refusal to fight with the Asgardians against Surtur.

[Charlie_1981]

Other Two pics showing that at that time of the 60's, Amora the Enchantress was a character completely different from the other female characters on this era, a woman with ideas and things very clear that would not be dominated by anyone.

[superchick]

I think people have this preconceived notion of the 60's era comic woman that never really match up to what was written. It isn't all gold but there was so much potential there that seems to me to have been squandered. To give credit to Stan he didn't have a stock woman. Janet Van Dyne was probably his weakest but even then, with time the character became more than she was.

[Charlie_1981]

I think people have this preconceived notion of the 60's era comic woman that never really match up to what was written. It isn't all gold but there was so much potential there that seems to me to have been squandered. To give credit to Stan he didn't have a stock woman. Janet Van Dyne was probably his weakest but even then, with time the character became more than she was.

You're probably right, in some cases, the potential of several of these characters ended up coming to the surface but in other cases, though, often we have seen flashes of glory from the Wasp and the Scarlet Witch, somehow, they always ended badly, manipulated or wasted, both were leaders of the Avengers in different time periods among them on which stands the Wasp at Roger Stern´s run and the continuous manipulations of the mind of the Scarlet Witch.

With the Enchantress, more than once I have mentioned, she was who always dominates and rarely we have seen her in the opposite side until Walt Simonson´s Thor where we began to see her a little different and a more complex character who has had a long step in that direction until this unfortunately Matt Fraction´s run that has no respect for any character and shows the ignorance towards them continuously, I don´t know if he does it voluntary or simply he does not know the characters with whom he work.

I want to recognize, during that era of the sixties, the Enchantress was above the other female characters because she was completely different from them.

I'm still waiting for any writer really worry for the character because it's boring to see that she simply is bad or evil because she should be like that, without delving into anything, no backstory, no past, make her a one-dimensional character, which contributes little to the history, I still can not understand why the writers of Marvel are sticking to that idea with a character like her, when they are supposed to be concerned about making a good story and not continue with the same shit.

I am quite sure that there are many writers at Marvel that they would be very able to make a great story with The Enchantress, but the problem is that there will be none to worry and because of that, exists all these problems and the lack of consistency seen for decades with Amora.

[Charlie_1981]

Well, after having saying what I thought, a question.

Anyone know how to explain the recent craziness of Amora since the God-Size Thor one shot?

The fact is that I, after seeing the few appearances of Amora until now, I have thought of a theory that can be so weird and that Loki might be responsible of whatever happened to the Enchantress.

The theory would be...

Thor after freeing all asgardians who were in mortal bodies, after free anyone he thought was Sif, Loki was showing in her place as a woman.

Amora after being freed, fled, she was confused in her thoughts and the first thing she did was to attack the Yggdrasil tree to try to resurrect her old partner, Skurge the Executioner.

Then, Loki as a woman and during the Dark Reign transformed a teen girl from Broxton, Oklahoma called Sylvie Lushton in a teenage version of Amora the Enchantress, the question is that perhaps Sylvie Lushton is the good and benevolent side of Amora and that since Loki´s demise and reincarnation as a kid, her power had been altered and she could not control it, not even her lisp.

Meanwhile, as Amora saw her evil side grew stronger to the point that during Avengers Prime, she attacked harshly Thor, even though in some ways, she could get a piece of goodness that is what she did to save the life of Thor and contribute to the defeat of Hela.

Then, during a short period of absence, Amora lived her life away of Asgard (or Asgardia as now is called) until Donald Blake found her and asked her to turn him into a new God, that Amora with her confused thoughts of the history of the Dr. Blake explained to her, accepted.

Surely it is a stupid theory with little consistency, but I can not think of anything better right now to explain why Amora the Enchantress is a villainess again.

[Atren]

In my opinion Amora is neutral with more toward being villain. She is not above using villainous means to achieve her goals.

The Giant Sized Thor Special is not part of her backstory I think. It felt more like what if story due to usage of Hela realm which Hela did not have at time being.


Following is my thoughts on the current arc.

As of this story Amora still needs to find replacement for Skurge and Dr. Blake just unwittingly volunteered for it. At this point beside somewhat weird way of achieving it my biggest question actually is would Amora really create such hideous companion for her? Albeit she still has few issues to finish it and who knows maybe end product will be better.

Now if she does go to attack Asgardia with her new companion then I would be disappointed unless really good reason given.

[Charlie_1981]

In my opinion Amora is neutral with more toward being villain. She is not above using villainous means to achieve her goals.

The Giant Sized Thor Special is not part of her backstory I think. It felt more like what if story due to usage of Hela realm which Hela did not have at time being.


Following is my thoughts on the current arc.

As of this story Amora still needs to find replacement for Skurge and Dr. Blake just unwittingly volunteered for it. At this point beside somewhat weird way of achieving it my biggest question actually is would Amora really create such hideous companion for her? Albeit she still has few issues to finish it and who knows maybe end product will be better.

Now if she does go to attack Asgardia with her new companion then I would be disappointed unless really good reason given.

You may be right, although I, if I´m criticize all things that Fraction are doing is because since he started his run on Thor, he has the tendency to humiliate and mistreat characters in a wrong way (Balder, Tyr, Thor, Silver Surfer, Sif, Karnilla, Ulik ...), I wish he don´t do it the same with Amora, but I do not count too much on it and although I prefer to think bad though I will read the whole story.

I'd like to see how Fraction surprise me and do something good and meaningful with Amora, not making to see Amora attacks Asgardia with her new partner because it is what she wants, because it would make no sense and would be inconsistent with the character, then, I consider it would be stupid and foolish to do that, but the synopsis of the following issues seems to say exactly this.

I do not want Fraction to treat bad or humiliate The Enchantress on the way he has done with Karnilla, I want to see her as a part of the story of Thor and become regular, in summary, she need to appear more and not once a year or see her disappearing for a long time until the next writer will remember her and return to the old cycle without background stories, without past and without any character development, I'm tired of seeing always the same thing.

How difficult would be for Marvel to risk a bit and make an one-shot or limited series about The Enchantress? Is there no writer on Marvel that are interested on Amora and wants to do anything serious with her? simply I don´t understand that with a character with so much potential, they ignore her and when they decide to use, usually isn´t for good. Why Marvel don´t make her more popular and make a miniseries about her like the Valkyrie in The Fearless? Amora the Enchantress as a character deserves more respect and love, it seems incredible that the Black Widow has more exposure and is more known while the Enchantress seems to have been completely encased in one point considering they appeared in the same era.

Whoever reads this, I don´t know if they are agree with me or if you think I'm fair or unfair with what I say, but what I think is a matter not only to criticize and seek justifications, I just say these things because I try to understand and analyze what I see though it may seem otherwise.

[The Great Grape]

Does anyone imagined a team-up between Amora the Enchantress, The Valkyrie, Lady Sif and Lorelei?

You might be able to have a rotating "Women of Asgard" backup feature in JIM or something. But an active team-up between these four doesn't seem like it would be as effective as their powers suggest it should be. For one, Valkyrie's first instinct would be more toward trying to hack Amora to pieces than fighting most common enemies.

Only way I could see it happening is if the stakes were high enough they had to put their differences aside for the present. And that would mean something along the lines of Asgard being threatened. With the male Asgardians incapacitated for some reason.

[Charlie_1981]

You might be able to have a rotating "Women of Asgard" backup feature in JIM or something. But an active team-up between these four doesn't seem like it would be as effective as their powers suggest it should be. For one, Valkyrie's first instinct would be more toward trying to hack Amora to pieces than fighting most common enemies.

Only way I could see it happening is if the stakes were high enough they had to put their differences aside for the present. And that would mean something along the lines of Asgard being threatened. With the male Asgardians incapacitated for some reason.

Surely it would be a matter to be developing the four goddesses one by one until they are in their places on the story in question and how they should put their differences aside to collaborate in the salvation of Asgard.

Sif and Thor complicated relationship marked by Thor infidelities with other women.
The reintroduction of Lorelei in Asgard showing a more mature and responsible woman who has not lost any time during her long period of absence and she was able to become stronger.
The Valkyrie and her Avenger´s condition and former member of the Defenders.
Amora and her loyalty to Asgard.

All this together, adding the hate between Amora and Valkyrie and her past in common, forcing Brunnhilde to forget their quarrels and accept the fact that Amora has taught her many things, like being a better heroine and have known men and women like the Avengers and Defenders with which she is proud to fight alongside them as warriors worthy of her, Lorelei that don´t want her sister to suffer having to swallow her pride and be less arrogant and spiteful accepting that she loves her sister more than she can recognize, Sif in the role of mediator and forced to be a leader and Amora learning to know herself and accepting that her power could have become her in a heroin if she had not deviated from her path choosing the wrong way during her adolescence.

I think that a team like that would be great to see in spite of being difficult to see four complicated personalities working together.