Game of Thrones

**Benel Germosen** · 04-22-2011, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sighphi

You got angry at the evil guy? Come on.

The worst part is, if he series follows the books, you're going to start to sympathize with him.

**Dreadstar** · 04-22-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Benel Germosen

The worst part is, if he series follows the books, you're going to start to sympathize with him.

I don't think I'd use the word "worst," there. The entire book uses various shades of gray for each and every character. In fact, guys who did deplorable things in the first episode
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Like Jaime.

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end up being very sympathetic. And people you might have had your heart go out to end up perpetrating horrendous acts.
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Like Caitlan.

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This is an important theme in the narrative. Everything is fluid.

**Dreadstar** · 04-22-2011, 08:38 AM

And I'd like to amend that previous post to say that not "every" character is necessarily shown as gray. There are several that you could EASILY describe as out-and-out evil from beginning to current book. And from what I hear about Martin's direction, he's going to try to give one of the most evil of the bunch a sympathetic spin in the next book and I really REALLY do not want that. Khal Drogo and the Dothrakyi don't even rate on the evil scale in comparison.

**7thangel** · 04-22-2011, 11:28 AM

just started the 2nd book, Tyrion and Arya still remain as my favorite characters and hopefully it comes through in the show. Hopefully, Littlefinger comes out as just as enjoyable and funny

**Dreadstar** · 04-22-2011, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by 7thangel

just started the 2nd book, Tyrion and Arya still remain as my favorite characters and hopefully it comes through in the show.

These are potential spoilers for people who haven't read the books, and intended for 7thangel:
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In fact, along with Jon, those three make up half of the entirety of the "good" people that make it from the very first book to the current. We pick up a couple of other "good" types along the way, and several of the "bad" people turn "good" via personal trial and epiphany.

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I could post something further, but that *WOULD* be a spoiler for someone starting the second book, and I'm unsure 7thangel would want to hear it?

**Benel Germosen** · 04-22-2011, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dreadstar

I don't think I'd use the word "worst," there. The entire book uses various shades of gray for each and every character. In fact, guys who did deplorable things in the first episode
spoilers:

Like Jaime.

end of spoilers
end up being very sympathetic. And people you might have had your heart go out to end up perpetrating horrendous acts.
spoilers:

Like Caitlan.

end of spoilers

This is an important theme in the narrative. Everything is fluid.

Well, I mean " worst " as in " awesome ".

**Jared** · 04-22-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dreadstar

I agree with you, this show is not for you. At all. Try Boardwalk Empire. There's still gratuitous violence and nudity and sex, but it's no where near as savage. In fact, it's kind of gentile.

Boardwalk Empire?! With its graphic depictions of people getting gunshots to the head and a hooker getting her face slashed? To say nothing of the creepy pervert Fed who is now going to be Zod.

Originally Posted by Benal German

The worst part is, if he series follows the books, you're going to start to sympathize with him.

I've only read the first book...but I cannot accept this. Jaime Lannister has sex with his sister and threw a ten-year old boy out a window. *Nothing* can make him sympathetic. Interesting, sure, but that's not the same.

**Conn Seanery** · 04-22-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jared

I've only read the first book...but I cannot accept this. Jaime Lannister has sex with his sister and threw a ten-year old boy out a window. *Nothing* can make him sympathetic. Interesting, sure, but that's not the same.

You'd be surprised.

**Benel Germosen** · 04-22-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Conn Seanery

You'd be surprised.

Oh, you will be. I was the same way but that's pretty much changed.

**Alex** · 04-22-2011, 08:16 PM

I still kinda hate Jamie and i've read all the books.
It's to quite as sever, but finding out Hitler had a crap childhood wouldn't make me like him.
It's first impressions though, as i still love Tyrion, and whatever they have Dany do in the future, i'll still like her.

**Mr. Holmes** · 04-22-2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jared

I've only read the first book...but I cannot accept this. Jaime Lannister has sex with his sister and threw a ten-year old boy out a window. *Nothing* can make him sympathetic. Interesting, sure, but that's not the same.

Yeah this is my thought upon hearing about him being "sympathetic." Although maybe I can sympathize with how effed up he is.

**Sighphi** · 04-22-2011, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jared

I've only read the first book...but I cannot accept this. Jaime Lannister has sex with his sister and threw a ten-year old boy out a window. *Nothing* can make him sympathetic. Interesting, sure, but that's not the same.

Oh please, wincest is fine and he probably lost some one dear to him as well in the past. Calm down.

**Alex** · 04-22-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Oh please, wincest is fine and he probably lost some one dear to him as well in the past. Calm down.

Well, that's getting into an entirely different debate.
2 of them, actually.
Edit: Neither of which have much to do with someone's personal opinion on the character and will probably require spoilers of later events in the books.
Episode 2 soon!