Game of Thrones

[the_coldest_sun]

Does Tywin know that he has Arya. From what I heard of the books he doesn't. But little things in the scene seems to make me think he does.

I think its hard to tell at this point. Tywin and Arya don't have any scenes in the book so book-readers won't be able to clarify anything. I think Tywin suspects something of his cupbearer--that perhaps she seems far too intelligent and clever for being a simple common folk--but I don't think he may believe straight away that it's Arya herself. Unless he's been told offscreen by a raven from Tyrion, I don't think Tywin even knows Arya Stark is missing from the Red Keep.

[Marie August]

Am I the only one who's annoyed that spoilers:

Jeyne Westerling has been replaced with this made up character, Talisa Maegyr? It's going to mess up Robb's future marriage. I understand why he married Jeyne. In a moment of grief, he lost control and slept with her. And since he loved her, he couldn't very well dishonor her. She was nobility. But this Talisa character... she's from another country, with no known family. Jeyne was a stretch to be Robb's Queen because her family did not bring much of a benefit to his cause. But they were a respected family from Westeros, and she was not too hugely beneath him for the marriage to be impossible. Robb marrying a foreigner, no matter how much he loves her, makes absolutely no sense.

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[Conn Seanery]

Maybe they're just trying to spoilers:

increase the impact of how poor the decision is to piss off the Freys. Instead of just breaking his oath to marry a Frey, on top of it all it's to some foreign nobody. Here's a wild longshot guess in the dark: Maybe she's a Martell, possibly one of the Sand Snakes.

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[Marie August]

Maybe they're just trying to spoilers:

increase the impact of how poor the decision is to piss off the Freys. Instead of just breaking his oath to marry a Frey, on top of it all it's to some foreign nobody. Here's a wild longshot guess in the dark: Maybe she's a Martell, possibly one of the Sand Snakes.

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I don't think the Frey's need more of a reason to be angry. I thought the situation was just fine in the book. I could understand the Frey's being mad, and I could understand Robb's side as well. I can't understand Robb marrying a foreign nobody... If she's a Martell, that's better... but it doesn't seem likely.

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[Alex]

Am I the only one who's annoyed that spoilers:

Jeyne Westerling has been replaced with this made up character, Talisa Maegyr? It's going to mess up Robb's future marriage. I understand why he married Jeyne. In a moment of grief, he lost control and slept with her. And since he loved her, he couldn't very well dishonor her. She was nobility. But this Talisa character... she's from another country, with no known family. Jeyne was a stretch to be Robb's Queen because her family did not bring much of a benefit to his cause. But they were a respected family from Westeros, and she was not too hugely beneath him for the marriage to be impossible. Robb marrying a foreigner, no matter how much he loves her, makes absolutely no sense.

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The point of the story wasn't that he married someone close to his station that didn't have a usefull family. The point was he is a young guy and young guys aren't incredibly intelligent when it comes to matters of the heart...or their dicks actually, as it might have been. This still works fine, the end result is identical, he threw away what he would have gained by marrying someone who wasn't important and he's going to get screwed because of it. Having her come from an unknown family instead of a little known family doesn't change the story at all from what i can tell.

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[Marie August]

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The point of the story wasn't that he married someone close to his station that didn't have a usefull family. The point was he is a young guy and young guys aren't incredibly intelligent when it comes to matters of the heart...or their dicks actually, as it might have been. This still works fine, the end result is identical, he threw away what he would have gained by marrying someone who wasn't important and he's going to get screwed because of it. Having her come from an unknown family instead of a little known family doesn't change the story at all from what i can tell.

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It does in the sense that if he slept with a nobody, and then didn't marry her, it wouldn't matter. They would have had a night of passion that they can fondly remember. But if he gives in and sleeps with a lady of noble birth, he's ruined her. It's a bigger deal to do something like that and then not marry her afterwards. I was under the impression that he married her mostly because he had to do the honorable thing.

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[Titan76]

Didn't Tyrion go full-on beating his nephew in the book? Unless I'm mis-remembering but I was a bit disappointed that he only slapped him again.

From the book:

Tyrion was dimly aware of a maester asking if he was injured. He pushed his way across the yard to where his nephew stood, his dungencrusted crown askew. "Traitors," Joffrey was babbling excitedly, "I'll have all their heads, I'll-"

The dwarf slapped his flushed face so hard the crown flew from Joffrey's head. Then he shoved him with both hands and knocked him sprawling. "You blind bloody fool."

"They were traitors," Joffrey squealed from the ground. "They called me names and attacked me!"

"You set your dog on them! What did you imagine they would do, bend the knee meekly while the Hound lopped off some limbs? You spoiled witless little boy, you've killed Clegane and gods know how many more, and yet you come through unscratched. Damn you!" And he kicked him. It felt so good he might have done more, but Ser Mandon Moore pulled him off as Joffrey howled, and then Bronn was there to take him in hand. Cersei knelt over her son, while Ser Balon Swann restrained Ser Lancel. Tyrion wrenched free of Bronn's grip.

I can understand though, at this point in the TV show their feud is near the boiling point.

Oh, its just started.

If Tyrion were to go full-on beating the king, it would be hard to excuse Joffery not executing him there on the spot.

Tyrion holds the power and the men in King's Landing. There's not much Joffrey could do to him, but send his Kingsguard on him. To which, Tyrion has over 2,000 men to send back.

The audience already knows he gave the warning to his mother about laying their hands on him.

There are only two people Joffrey has ever been shown afraid of, Robert and Tyrion. Joffrey doesn't fear his mother, which is why he said that to her.

[Omega Alpha]

Does Tywin know that he has Arya. From what I heard of the books he doesn't. But little things in the scene seems to make me think he does.

He might suspect something strange about her, but if you were in his place, would you honestly think Ned Stark's daughter is your cupbearer? Besides, it's possible he doesn't even know she's missing.

[Alex]

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It does in the sense that if he slept with a nobody, and then didn't marry her, it wouldn't matter. They would have had a night of passion that they can fondly remember. But if he gives in and sleeps with a lady of noble birth, he's ruined her. It's a bigger deal to do something like that and then not marry her afterwards. I was under the impression that he married her mostly because he had to do the honorable thing.

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i thought he married her because he loved her. He's probably going to marry this chick for the same reason. Either reason, he's going to die.

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[KiFF86]

He might suspect something strange about her, but if you were in his place, would you honestly think Ned Stark's daughter is your cupbearer? Besides, it's possible he doesn't even know she's missing.

He knows something is up with her and I think he knows she is lying about certain things. More or less, he knows she isn't who she says she is. I imagine when he finds out Arya isn't in King's Landing, he will know it's her.

I just love how weird people have soft spots for Stark Women. Littlefinger-Cat, Hound-Sansa, Tywin-Arya.

Also as a non-reader, I was yelling in my head at Dany that her dragons can't do shit at the moment. She just got owned in every way by the spice merchant. She seems the worst at trying to get to the Iron Throne. And I thought she was one of the best characters last year.

Theon is a shit also.... I barely hate him less then Joffrey; I mean seriously the man finger banged his sister without a thought in the world.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Theon is a shit also.... I barely hate him less then Joffrey; I mean seriously the man finger banged his sister without a thought in the world.

he didn´t know she was his sister at the time.

[KiFF86]

he didn´t know she was his sister at the time.

Doesn't make it better. He just randomly started feeling her up and shit. Was weird to watch before I knew that.

[Alex]

Doesn't make it better. He just randomly started feeling her up and shit. Was weird to watch before I knew that.

He's a prince of a group of rapists and murderers and thought she was one of his subjects.
You aren't suppose to like him.

[Vibranium]

I was hoping they would show how much of a crapstorm things are in Kings Landing...this did not disappoint

[Alex]

I was hoping they would show how much of a crapstorm things are in Kings Landing...this did not disappoint

My favorite comment when i was watching the show, from a friend of my wifes
"Why do they hate Joffery so much? I know he's a dick, but what did he do to them."
Then it was pointed out all the people are starving because he started a war, so it was like the show anticipated her question and answered it right away.