In an industry rife with homages and swipes, what kind of legal action can be taken in the ongoing Nick Simmons controversy? CBR checks in with comics legal expert Michael Lovitz so find out of what's in play and at stake.
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03-02-2010, 02:27 PM #1Mild-Mannered Reporter
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CBR: Understanding "Incarnate" & Comic Book Plagiarism
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03-02-2010, 02:40 PM #2BANNED
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Is Alan Moore a plagiarist? I want a CBR article on the official word if Alan Moore is a plagiarist. V For Vendetta, Supreme, Watchmen, Tom Strong, Marvel Man, League of Gentlemen, Lost Girls, 1963, etc. etc. etc.
I don't see how he gets away with this.
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03-02-2010, 03:06 PM #3wants to draw comics
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Great article, smart and was a fantastic read. Either way, whether legal action is taken or not I think it's going to be awhile before fans trust Simmons again and it may be awhile before he thinks about creating comics again.
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03-02-2010, 03:09 PM #4Never to be forgotten
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You're not funny.
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03-02-2010, 03:20 PM #5Life Sucks!
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Call me when Alan Moore swipes whole character designs and scene compositions from manga, bit to bit, detail to detail. Originally Posted by Kick-Ass
Hell, Lost Girls didn't even have any catgirls raped by tentacle monsters. What a letdown.
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03-02-2010, 03:24 PM #6Bargain bin addict.
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nope...... Originally Posted by Kick-Ass
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03-02-2010, 03:24 PM #7COTM Member
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If Marvel Man was plagiarism, then every writer and artist on Superman other than Seigel and Shuster are plagiarists.
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03-02-2010, 04:08 PM #8Senior Member
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Going to have to disagree with this notion. If it was another comic it might be a different story. But since it's based off of a manga from japan, it has a different perspective. For example, in Japan, people can literally make comics off of already establish characters, and sell them. These comics are often referred to as doujinshi. The reason being is that the authors and creators feel respected that someone else would take the time and liberty to create a comic dealing with their character. So if you go to a manga shop in japan, you'll see tons of street fighter books that are drawn by different people without the permission of capcom. Same with final fantasy and other major franchises. This is also seen in the genre hentai, in which companies would use say "Tifa" from final fantasy and place her in a sexual situation with Cloud, and can legally sell these items.
So this is one reason why the bleach writer is not saying anything, because in Japan, these sort of ordeals are looked at completely different than here in the states. That's why I dislike these articles, because they do not play much heed to culture differences between the two countries.Snowstorm Comics is the newest comic book publisher. Releasing their first print "Kindred" from their upcoming comic, "Evolved" you can find out more at snowstormcomics.com
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03-02-2010, 04:16 PM #9ich liebe Leni
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Comic Book Plagiarism is more associated with Rob Liefeld.
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03-02-2010, 04:16 PM #10Pugnacious
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What they do or don't do in Japan has precisely zero relevance to American copyright law. Originally Posted by babybro
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03-02-2010, 04:30 PM #11lost in the cyber dungeon
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babybro, the doujinshi thing is a whole other animal. They're not claiming them as original characters. To me, that's a major difference. Simmons never gave any credit to Kubo or Hirano or any manga he knocked off. At least when someone in Japan is showing Chun Li getting it up the butt from a dick girl Cammy they don't claim to have created the characters. They didn't give Chun Li green hair and say they created the character Li Chun. Yes, Japan is more lax in enforcing their copyright laws, but there's also a certain honesty among the makers of these fan comics. Simmons totally neglects that honestly.
Plus this isn't Japan. There the publishers look the other way and allow the fan comics and xxx parody comics. The closest thing is when US publishers allow artists to draw say Batman or Spider-man for prints at their booth. Even then it is a gray area. Really, you can't talk about Japan because this isn't Japan. Plus I don't think you really know the scope and actual details of how the fan comic market there works. It's not just everything goes. It actually has always been a fine line that publishers and fans have maintained. Wired had an interesting article on it not long ago. Really, what Simmons did is nowhere near in line with those fan books. It's misunderstanding the Japanese market like that which leads to mistakes like what Simmons did.Xenos
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03-02-2010, 05:22 PM #12Fraggin' Bastich
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No, he's not. I think YOU are the plagiarist. That "joke" was made in the boards a few days ago. Originally Posted by Kick-Ass
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03-02-2010, 05:25 PM #13Cat smells like fish
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No, Marvel Man was literally a plagiarism of Captain Marvel. Before Moore got him, anyway. Originally Posted by Kosmopolit
The Punisher: I’m going to cauterize your rectum, sealing it shut, so when you turn those delicious Pink Pants™ Fruit Pies into waste products the bilirubin in your feces will leach into your bloodstream and you’ll die screaming! And I’ll watch while having sex with this grateful prostitute!
Trussed-Up Hooker: Blueberry are my favorite!
In other words, what StoneGold said.
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03-02-2010, 05:31 PM #14Life Sucks!
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And Captain Marvel was, in turn, a plagiarism of Superman. Or not. Personally, I think it stood right at the fine border between being it and not being it. Although it quickly took a (more or less) fully different turn of its own. Originally Posted by StoneGold
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03-02-2010, 05:43 PM #15Cat smells like fish
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Yeah, but there really wasn't much of a line between Captain Marvel and Marvelman. That was kind of the whole point - skirting copyright laws. Originally Posted by OverMaster
The Punisher: I’m going to cauterize your rectum, sealing it shut, so when you turn those delicious Pink Pants™ Fruit Pies into waste products the bilirubin in your feces will leach into your bloodstream and you’ll die screaming! And I’ll watch while having sex with this grateful prostitute!
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