Songbird Appreciation

[Countgate]

I want to see these to looks/costumes combine :

Well, they are similar, the main differences are the stripped gloves and neck, the color of the boots, the absence of the belt, and the hair. So a combination of these looks will not be too different.

But the costume is the lesser of the problems now. Every time a new solicit of the Thunderbolts is released, I feel sad because not only Songbird, but most of the characters of the book weren't even mentioned. Then I wonder how will be their importance in the story. It will be a shame if they brought back the original T-Bolts just to be stuck in the Raft, and make small appearances in this book. Also, why she can't receive at least an one-shot, mini or even guest appearances in other books, since she has connections with Hawkeye and Black Widow, both with ongoings now.

[Kieran_Frost]

Well, they are similar, the main differences are the stripped gloves and neck, the color of the boots, the absence of the belt, and the hair. So a combination of these looks will not be too different.

Agreed. I never understood why posters said "I hate the new costume" since it's so similar, I can't imagine the style is what bothers them (maybe the rendering itself but not the actual design).

But the costume is the lesser of the problems now. Every time a new solicit of the Thunderbolts is released, I feel sad because not only Songbird, but most of the characters of the book weren't even mentioned. Then I wonder how will be their importance in the story. It will be a shame if they brought back the original T-Bolts just to be stuck in the Raft, and make small appearances in this book. Also, why she can't receive at least an one-shot, mini or even guest appearances in other books, since she has connections with Hawkeye and Black Widow, both with ongoings now.

I too want a Songbird one-shot or mini-series. But I understand why Songbird, Abe and Fixer aren't referenced in the upcoming promos, it's not their story. They have redeemed (pretty much) and the "core" of this book is about villains trying to redeem (that just doesn't include them anymore). Plus, "old school" Thunderbolts fans are probably getting the comic regardless, so maybe promos are trying to bring in new readers, who maybe are a fan of Juggernaut or Man-Thing, who might not necessarily know they are on Thunderbolts? Maybe?

[Countgate]

Agreed. I never understood why posters said "I hate the new costume" since it's so similar, I can't imagine the style is what bothers them (maybe the rendering itself but not the actual design).

I think that this hair style can look good with some effort. I've seen some fanart who managed to do it in a nice manner. But Walker make it looks too "flat".

I too want a Songbird one-shot or mini-series. But I understand why Songbird, Abe and Fixer aren't referenced in the upcoming promos, it's not their story. They have redeemed (pretty much) and the "core" of this book is about villains trying to redeem (that just doesn't include them anymore).
Plus, "old school" Thunderbolts fans are probably getting the comic regardless, so maybe promos are trying to bring in new readers, who maybe are a fan of Juggernaut or Man-Thing, who might not necessarily know they are on Thunderbolts? Maybe?

But... I refuse to accept this situation

I've waited for Heroic Age just to see if Songbird was going to have more importance in the MU... but all we got are the original Thunderbolts as villains or as minor characters in their own book. At least Hawkeye got his own ongoing with a very good writer.

Also I'm thinking of dropping Thunderbolts. Judging by the solicits, interviews and the first issue, the main character of this new phase will be Luke Cage, and I just don't care about him. I'll give one more chance, but so far, not impressed with this direction.

To be a little more positive, here will go a funny image found in comicvine

[Hrist]

I too want a Songbird one-shot or mini-series. But I understand why Songbird, Abe and Fixer aren't referenced in the upcoming promos, it's not their story. They have redeemed (pretty much) and the "core" of this book is about villains trying to redeem (that just doesn't include them anymore). Plus, "old school" Thunderbolts fans are probably getting the comic regardless, so maybe promos are trying to bring in new readers, who maybe are a fan of Juggernaut or Man-Thing, who might not necessarily know they are on Thunderbolts? Maybe?

I agree with this, but I think since they are less a part of Thunderbolts, they should be working to integrate the characters with the MU outside of Thunderbolts. (Which I think should be bringing in new characters, in order to keep the theme of redemption and change ongoing.) They did a great job making Norman Osborn and his old Tbolts crew really relevant for a while in Dark Avengers, and

We saw Fixer over in Captain America last week, but obviously Mel or Abe are ill-suited now to that kind of role. I was lobbying for Songbird appearing in Black Widow over on that board. But the thing about both Clint and Natasha's books is that they are very low-powered, so Melissa would probably need to appear in her civilian identity if she was to get any focus.

[Kieran_Frost]

I agree with this, but I think since they are less a part of Thunderbolts, they should be working to integrate the characters with the MU outside of Thunderbolts. (Which I think should be bringing in new characters, in order to keep the theme of redemption and change ongoing.) They did a great job making Norman Osborn and his old Tbolts crew really relevant for a while in Dark Avengers, and

We saw Fixer over in Captain America last week, but obviously Mel or Abe are ill-suited now to that kind of role. I was lobbying for Songbird appearing in Black Widow over on that board. But the thing about both Clint and Natasha's books is that they are very low-powered, so Melissa would probably need to appear in her civilian identity if she was to get any focus.

I 100% agree, and part of me is still sad Songbird wasn't "bumped" into the LONG OVERDUE Avengers membership. Sadly, I think for that to work she needed to play a hand in bringing Osborn down (which is what Diggle seemed to be building to, but sadly it never happened). Maybe after this current period of guarding and encouraging the Thunderbolts, she will finally have earned her wings and can join New Avengers (it is Luke's team after all). I'd love to see Clint or Natasha bring Songbird in for an arc. Why not? She's powerful, but there are plenty of "hand-to-hand" foes who could logically fight both Songbird and Natasha... such as Mister X (rematch, anybody?). Or I'd love to see Songbird go to Wakanda and aid T'Challa fighting Klaw!!!

I've waited for Heroic Age just to see if Songbird was going to have more importance in the MU... but all we got are the original Thunderbolts as villains or as minor characters in their own book. At least Hawkeye got his own ongoing with a very good writer.

AHHH!!! Songbird not being an Avenger is (right now) the most offensive oversight on the part of the editors and writers of the Avengers. She's a great leader, a great fighter, and she learned to be a hero the hard way (it wasn't offered to her on a golden platter, she had to realise it was who she was, deep inside). One day, mate. One day we will FINALLY get our reward, and Songbird will be leading the damn Avengers!!! You hear that, Steve Rogers! Move aside. Your better has arrived!!!

Also I'm thinking of dropping Thunderbolts. Judging by the solicits, interviews and the first issue, the main character of this new phase will be Luke Cage, and I just don't care about him. I'll give one more chance, but so far, not impressed with this direction.

Woah, woah, woah. Steady on. Let's not do anything we'll regret. I think at-least hold out for the first arc (it's only three issues long, and we've already had one). I hate to lose any Thunderbolts fans.

To be a little more positive, here will go a funny image found in comicvine

BEST. PICTURE. EVER!!!

[Jay R.]

Reading her new hair is wild course there.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I have to say, I was discouraged at first how Parker was going to handle her, but I am reassured after reading today's issue. She was treated just like the other members, and it made me happy.
Also, the new look CAN look good!

http://www.comicvine.com/newlook/105-1266445/

[Countgate]

I agree with this, but I think since they are less a part of Thunderbolts, they should be working to integrate the characters with the MU outside of Thunderbolts. (Which I think should be bringing in new characters, in order to keep the theme of redemption and change ongoing.) They did a great job making Norman Osborn and his old Tbolts crew really relevant for a while in Dark Avengers, and

We saw Fixer over in Captain America last week, but obviously Mel or Abe are ill-suited now to that kind of role. I was lobbying for Songbird appearing in Black Widow over on that board. But the thing about both Clint and Natasha's books is that they are very low-powered, so Melissa would probably need to appear in her civilian identity if she was to get any focus.

I 100% agree, and part of me is still sad Songbird wasn't "bumped" into the LONG OVERDUE Avengers membership. Sadly, I think for that to work she needed to play a hand in bringing Osborn down (which is what Diggle seemed to be building to, but sadly it never happened). Maybe after this current period of guarding and encouraging the Thunderbolts, she will finally have earned her wings and can join New Avengers (it is Luke's team after all). I'd love to see Clint or Natasha bring Songbird in for an arc. Why not? She's powerful, but there are plenty of "hand-to-hand" foes who could logically fight both Songbird and Natasha... such as Mister X (rematch, anybody?). Or I'd love to see Songbird go to Wakanda and aid T'Challa fighting Klaw!!!

I give my full support to these ideas. There's no excuse to not give the original Thunderbolts members guest appearances in other books.

Also, I think they can use unused Thunderbolts foes if Melissa appear in "low-powered" titles as a costumed hero. I'd love to see Songbird and Hawkeye joining forces to battle Cyclone.

AHHH!!! Songbird not being an Avenger is (right now) the most offensive oversight on the part of the editors and writers of the Avengers. She's a great leader, a great fighter, and she learned to be a hero the hard way (it wasn't offered to her on a golden platter, she had to realise it was who she was, deep inside). One day, mate. One day we will FINALLY get our reward, and Songbird will be leading the damn Avengers!!! You hear that, Steve Rogers! Move aside. Your better has arrived!!!

I'm still waiting for this day. Maybe after Shadowland a new slot will be open in an Avengers team.

Woah, woah, woah. Steady on. Let's not do anything we'll regret. I think at-least hold out for the first arc (it's only three issues long, and we've already had one). I hate to lose any Thunderbolts fans.

Well, I'm not a completist. When the direction or content of the book doesn't interests me, I skip it for some issues.

But I liked this last issue way more than the previous, mostly because it was less "Cage-heavy" and gave more spotlight for the other characters. Also, Mel looks prettier in most of the panels. Maybe our complaining was heard by Marvel.

I have to say, I was discouraged at first how Parker was going to handle her, but I am reassured after reading today's issue. She was treated just like the other members, and it made me happy.
Also, the new look CAN look good!
http://www.comicvine.com/newlook/105-1266445/

This drawing is awesome.

The design isn't bad, but Walker isn't the best artist to draw women. His Moonstone isn't beautiful too. However, he draws incredible monsters and creatures.

[Countgate]

I hope that the new Bettle who appeared in Captain America lasts more than her predecessors, so she can interact with Songbird.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I hope that the new Bettle who appeared in Captain America lasts more than her predecessors, so she can interact with Songbird.

I still think it's Songbird...

[Countgate]

I still think it's Songbird...

I think the Beetle is that bartender Bucky and Natasha were searching. But would be cool if she is related to one of the previous users of the armor.

[Hrist]

I think the Beetle is that bartender Bucky and Natasha were searching. But would be cool if she is related to one of the previous users of the armor.

Yeah. I'm hoping we get some tie-ins to the legacy, but it isn't Songbird, it's definitely the bartender, hence the "it's my first day" line.

[Countgate]

After reading the last issues and the solictis, I was wondering why they brought Songbird, MACH-V and Fixer back to the Thunderbolts just to be supporting characters? She deserve more than appearing five panels per issue.

[Songbird/Diamondback]

After reading the last issues and the solictis, I was wondering why they brought Songbird, MACH-V and Fixer back to the Thunderbolts just to be supporting characters? She deserve more than appearing five panels per issue.

Where's the new solicit?

[Countgate]

Where's the new solicit?

THUNDERBOLTS #149
Written by JEFF PARKER
Penciled by DECLAN SHALVEY
Cover by FRANK MARTIN
A SHADOWLAND TIE-IN! Luke Cage’s squad of fierce felons face the nature of true evil when they uncover secrets of the ancient order known as The Hand beneath Hell's Kitchen! Will a group of people rarely known for doing the right thing choose a higher path—or will they add to the power of the ninja cult? Meanwhile, as Cage fights to help his friend Daredevil up on the streets, he realizes that he picked a bad time to trust his skeleton crew of criminal operatives on an unsupervised mission! So come on, all you DD fans, pick up this issue and find out why Aint It Cool News raves: “very fun...I love this cast…this one is definitely going back on my pull list."
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99