Baron Helmut Zemo Appreciation

[Monty_Cristo]

Who is this Heike woman? What run was she in? I'm hearing alot about her and wonder if I need to know her story to understand Zemo more.

she's the wifey (now believed to be deceased). they adopted a bunch of children (the Kinder) and turned them into mini hitler youth (sort of). she claimed to be Helmut's father reincarnated; i kid you not.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/barones1.htm
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and if you think she's freaky you should read about the Kinder. i'm nearly convinced that Big Zero from the Young Masters of Evil is one of those Kinder; grown up.

[Electric Version]

i think he'd be a little more disappointed that Helmut killed him in that other Earth dimension.

Oh, that was just a small tiff.

[arachne_azure]

she's the wifey (now believed to be deceased). they adopted a bunch of children (the Kinder) and turned them into mini hitler youth (sort of). she claimed to be Helmut's father reincarnated; i kid you not.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/barones1.htm
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and if you think she's freaky you should read about the Kinder. i'm nearly convinced that Big Zero from the Young Masters of Evil is one of those Kinder; grown up.

I think Kyle from South Park said it best to describe what you typed "Dude that's f@#%ed up", I can only imagine what family get togethers with the Strucker household was like (actually I do not want to imagine, with Andreas, and Andrea's "close" relationship, and Andreas' "interests" )

[infernohara]

She truly is a messed up nutcase!

Thanks for the info Monty. Now I agree with that behind the Crimson cowl sentiment you and Kierean were proposing.

[Monty_Cristo]

I think Kyle from South Park said it best to describe what you typed "Dude that's f@#%ed up", I can only imagine what family get togethers with the Strucker household was like (actually I do not want to imagine, with Andreas, and Andrea's "close" relationship, and Andreas' "interests" )

well the two families are linked. Helmut apparently knew the Struckers when they were children (despite the age gap). Helmut probably had to babysit when the Wolfgang and Elsbeth were at their sex parties. and we already know that Zemo got more than a little tongue action from Andrea. i imaginer her as being sort of the Paris Hilton on the mock-nazi set.
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or...lady gaga
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[Monty_Cristo]

She truly is a messed up nutcase!

Thanks for the info Monty. Now I agree with that behind the Crimson cowl sentiment you and Kierean were proposing.

hey, i'm glad you asked to the question. you gave me a reason to read her bio. crazy ***** had her dogs' vocal chords removed to make them silent and deadly. that's effin nuts!

[Electric Version]

hey, i'm glad you asked to the question. you gave me a reason to read her bio. crazy ***** had her dogs' vocal chords removed to make them silent and deadly. that's effin nuts!

I'm also fairly certain they have bees in their mouths, so when they bark, they shoot bees at you.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm also fairly certain they have bees in their mouths, so when they bark, they shoot bees at you.

and they are fed a steady diet of volcano nachos; to make them spicy. spicy bee spitting rottweilers.

[Venom Melendez]

Two sides of the same coin, with such a fine line that it might as well not exist.

And I love how he "still is" even when he hasn't been seen in quite some time and his last appearance (at least last major appearance that I'm aware of) says otherwise.

You'd be mistaken. Songbird pushed him into that portal for a reason. He's still a villain and one of Cap's best villains at that.
Anti-Villain might be a different side of the coin, but not exactly the same thing.

[infernohara]

hey, i'm glad you asked to the question. you gave me a reason to read her bio. crazy ***** had her dogs' vocal chords removed to make them silent and deadly. that's effin nuts!

That is one of the most cruel, but amazing things I've ever heard.

Silent and Deadly dogs.....how amzazing. This girl needs a comback!!



Songbird throwing Zemo in the wellspring is something shes gonna regret.

[Monty_Cristo]

You'd be mistaken. Songbird pushed him into that portal for a reason. He's still a villain and one of Cap's best villains at that.
Anti-Villain might be a different side of the coin, but not exactly the same thing.

i dunno. Mel can tend to be slightly hypocritical and self-righteous some time. just ask Blizzard.

[XPac]

i dunno. Mel can tend to be slightly hypocritical and self-righteous some time. just ask Blizzard.

Though I certainly agree Mel can be a hypocrite, in the case of Zemo I think he pretty much asked for and got what he deserved.

[Monty_Cristo]

Though I certainly agree Mel can be a hypocrite, in the case of Zemo I think he pretty much asked for and got what he deserved.

he didn't stay dead for very long. so maybe it was all part of the plan. and, just for the sake of argument, what did Helmut do to deserve being killed? he pretty much set all of them up in his cosmic castle with little mini-worlds of their own for rooms. he saved the universe. as for that stuff w/ Genis, well the latter had been guilty of some bad stuff himself.

[stelok]

A thread dedicated to the Helmut Freiherr von Zemo. Yaay. I sort of like this character.

I was sort of disappointed by how limited the knowledge of German history and culture was in the Thunderbolts series "Zemo - Born Better" which explores the history of the Zemo barony. the Weimar Republic (1919–1933) wasn't included in the Zemo's history. The anglicization of Kaiser Wilhelm's name as Emperor William is fine though.

I don't need to wonder why no writer bothered to use the title baron's German equivalent "Freiherr", while they used the other German words such as Fuehrer (leader). Reich, Oberst (Colonel), Oberstleutnant (Lieutenant-colonel), Hauptmann (captain) and Wehrmacht.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiherr

The German titles Freiherr (Baron)and Freifrau and Freiin (Baroness) are titles of nobility. They are titles of lower peerage rank in the former Holy Roman Empire (in German Heiliges Römisches Reich, HRR), and in its various German successor states, including Prussia, Bavaria, Württemberg, Hessen and others. In Austria-Hungary and elsewhere, such as in the Baltic and Nordic countries, "Freiherr" (literally "free lord")was considered about equal to the title Baron. The original distinction from other barons was that a Freiherr's landed property was allodial instead of a fief. Barons who received their title from the Holy Roman Emperor are known as Barons of the Holy Roman Empire, Reichsfreiherr, although the title is sometimes shortened to Freiherr.

A German Freiherr is called "Baron" in English: the status was practically the same, although the title was derived separately in the English and German languages. The literal translation of the term from German to English is "free lord".[1] Even when addressed in German, a Freiherr is sometimes styled and addressed as "Baron", although this is not the formal German title. In Germany, there also existed the foreign rank of "Baron", mostly used for Baltic barons created by the Tsar of Russia, but recognized in Germany.[2]

The title Freiherr derives from the fact that the holder held free (allodial) title to his land, unlike ordinary barons, who were originally knights (Ritter), unlike peasants and serfs, and unlike medieval German ministerials as local lords. A Freiherr usually held hereditary administrative and judgeship rights (in some jurisdictions) in his barony instead of the territorial lord, who might be the duke (Herzog) or count (Graf).

All sons of a Freiherr are Freiherren (plural) and can be referred to as Baron. The wife of a Freiherr is called Freifrau (literally "free lady"), and a daughter of a Freiherr is called Freiin (short for Freiherrin). It is considered correct in some circles to address a Freifrau as "Baronin" or a Freiin as "Baroness". Female former titles have been legally accepted as part of the last name after 1919 by a still valid decision of the German former High Court, the Reichsgericht.

After the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire (1806), Reichsfreiherr (Freiherr of the Empire) had no particular title or rank other than Freiherr. Imperial titles might have come to an end, but by the decision of the Congress of Vienna (1815), they continued officially. Before the dissolution of the empire (1806), all German Freiherren were Freiherren of the Holy Roman Empire, in short Reichsfreiherren. However, nobody before 1806 used the word Reichsfreiherr for a Freiherr. After 1806 the new German kingdoms, like Bavaria or Württemberg, could create their own Freiherren. However, these Freiherren were not Freiherren of the Empire. They were, for example, Bavarian Freiherren. Thus some of the older baronial families (e.g. Reichsfreiherr von und zu Guttenberg; see Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg) began to style their titles as Reichsfreiherr to distinguish themselves from the new classes of barons. Today, the term Reichsfreiherr would only be used in the most formal contexts, such as on an engraved invitation.

The nobility was abolished in Germany in 1919 by the republican constitution (Weimar Constitution) and again in 1949 by the Bonn constitution (Grundgesetz); the titles are now legally considered to be simply part of the family name (with the former title following the first name, e.g. Georg Freiherr von Platz), and they may or may not be used. They do, however, have prestige in some circles of society, in which it is considered to be correct to address a Freiherr as "Baron" (e.g. Wernher Freiherr von Braun: "Baron von Braun") and a Freifrau as "Baroness". A Freiin, a daughter of a Freiherr, is also addressed as "Baroness".

Freiherr is a title, translated as Baron, not a first or middle name. Freiherr follows the given names and precedes the family names.

Examples:
Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen
Hans Freiherr von Funck
Harald Freiherr von Elverfeldt
Jakob Freiherr von Hartmann
Karl Freiherr von Thüngen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nobility


Title (English)-------------Title (German)------Territory (German translation)
Emperor/Empress----------Kaiser(in)-----------Empire (Kaiserreich, Kaisertum)
King/Queen----------------König(in)-----------Kingdom (Königreich)
Elector/Electress-----------Kurfürst(in)--------Electorate (Kurfürstentum)
Archduke/Archduchess-----Erzherzog(in)-------Archduchy (Erzherzogtum)
Grand Duke/Grand Duchess---Großherzog(in)----Grand Duchy (Großherzogtum)
Duke/Duchess---------------Herzog(in)---------Duchy (Herzogtum)
Count(ess) Palatine------Pfalzgraf/Pfalzgräfin---County Palatine (Pfalzgrafschaft)
Margrave/Margravine-----Markgraf/Markgräfin---Margraviate (Markgrafschaft)
Landgrave/Landgravine---Landgraf/Landgräfin---Landgraviate (Landgrafschaft)
Burgrave/Burgravine------Burggraf/Burggräfin----Burgraviate (Burggrafschaft)
Prince(ss)---------------Fürst(in)---------------Principality (Fürstentum)
Count(ess)--------------Graf/Gräfin-------------County (Grafschaft)
Baron(ess)--------------Freiherr/Freifrau/Freiin---Barony (Freiherrschaft)
Lord--------------------Herr--------------------Lordship (Herrschaft)
Knight------------------Reichsritter

[stelok]

If Helmut is still playing the good guy, I would like to see him lead a team of German superheroes perhaps called Bundesgarde or Bundeswache (Federal Guard).

And I also think the Nazi super-villains such as Helmut's daddy Heinrich, Iron Cross (Eisernes Kreuz), Master Man (Übermensch) and Warrior Woman (Kriegerin) should band themselves in a team called Imperial Guard (Reichswache) or (Reichsgarde) during the WWII period.