Flash! Bang! PAF! Jubilee Appreciation

[NPC016]

The surviving Gen-X ships are gone to gold as well. Chamber/Jubilee seemed pretty popular (even before New Warriors where he's the only person who sort-of backs Jubilee up). The old Gen X slash ship M/Jubilee is out since M's in X-Factor, which never has anything to do with the other books and is on Gold as well.

Ah yes, forgot about Chamber. I've always thought their dynamic was more platonic than anything. Just good friends. Jono certainly never angsted over Jubes like he did with Paige. At least Synch had a few weird fantasies about marrying Jubilee and opening a day care center lol.

I figured the M/Jubilee ship comes from the romantic comedy convention of having mutual antagonism turn out to be complementary character traits that fill some need they have. But they're both so comfortable with themselves that I think they really just can't stand each other. =P

I kind of found Rockslide's puppy crush cute and could see where he came from. Don't see Jubilee ever taking him seriously, though.

Never understood Ice-Lee. Did Iceman ever really interact with Jubilee at all? The only reason I can think to ship them together is that they both have casual attitudes. EDIT: her few appearances in X-Men evolution tended to be bobby trying to chat her up, so maybe that's the source.

IIRC someone asked if Liu was going to write canon Gambit/Jubilee in X-23 on X-Position. Her reaction was a clearly horrified negative lol. Though Liu once wrote a Wolverine/Jubilee fanfic where an aged Jubilee was spending her last moments with Wolverine (who she'd eventually married and spent her life with), so she's really not in a position to judge, LOL.

Yeah I never figured out why Iceman/Jubilee was so popular. When I first started reading comics again there were so many fics based on them being compatible via their love of jokes/pranks that I thought perhaps they had similar interactions in the comics. Was very puzzled when I realised nope, those two didn't exchange so much as a punchline in the decade I'd stopped reading.

Haha probably Liu having a moment where her youthful indiscretions came back to haunt her. She had quite a few Gambit/Jubilee fanfics on her old fansite no? Gambit and Jubilee really is quite ick, though. At best I see them as a brother/sister pair.

Was never really sure why Jubilee developed a crush on Logan. Sure, he's like the guy who protects and rescues her, but he just doesn't seem like the prettyboy type a teenager goes squee for. Always felt that was more of a convenient plot device for CC than a realistic development.

I agree X-20lee's actually the most realistic . Though that's partially because X-20lee is actually the only relationship (romantic or platonic) that's really been developed for Jubilee recently (except for the aforementioned Rockslide, which is mostly just lulz). But they do seem to have complimentary personalities, and Laura's like a young Wolverine with less backhair, which removes both the age-cringe and Jubilee's main complaint about him.

Haha perhaps a twist on the old trope that women end up marrying their fathers? This would be so bizarre and literal I find myself actually interested in reading it if it happens. I think it's not just that it's one of the more developed relationships for Jubilee, but these two actually complement and fit each other quite a bit. They can help each other grow. Very unlike M.

BTW, anyone else think there was a bit of a romantic undercurrent to whatever was going on between Jubilee and Xarus (dracula's son) in adjectiveless 1-6? Did they get up to something there? And was this the real master stroke in Cyclops' plan - letting Jubilee get bitten and seduced by the vampire king, knowing that any male Jubilee likes will inevitably end up dead.

Yeah actually, although I hoped that was more some kind of skanky thrall power Xarus had tsk.

Hey, Shane Shooter is out there...somewhere. Let's hope he doesn't come back.

[Herring]

Seems to me like that relationship would've been a surrogate for a secret desire for Penance/Jubilee... I mean, seriously? Was the main basis of Rockslide/Jubilee the fact that she can't pierce his skin and drain his blood (if he even has blood)? 'Cos that's true of Penance, too, and she's got a lot more history with her. Penny and Jubes were always close, even after the M-"I secretly hated you" debacle.

On further reflection there is one brief prior encounter between Jubilee and Rockslide in Nation X which might explain Jubilee/Rockslide. In it, all the New X-Men (sans Surge) sneak off to hang with Jubilee and pretty much worship the ground beneath her feet, as their relative positions in society dictate.

Rockslide tries his Macho tough guy act (complete with randomly saying how "slam'n" Psylocke is), but Jubilee sees straight through it and figures out he was terrified by the recent battle at Utopia (vs Dark Avengers IIRC). He also claims Anole is crushing on Jubilee. If you read the latter as blatant projection of his own feelings, and add that with Jubilee being badass enough to see through his bravado, I guess you could build a ship out of it...

Of course, that's only because Chuck Austen never had a chance to weigh in. Sky sex with an Original 5? Forget that, jungle sex with a really, REALLY old guy! */masterstroke* ...would probably be his thinking.

His stuff was hillariously bad. It's on the level of the more dubious fanfiction.

Hmm this is my 100th post in the Jubilee thread. Time to celebrate by in style, by posting Chuck Austen's Jubilee magnum opus!


"he wanted to hold something against me, literally speaking, and I wouldn't let him". To quote Wolverine and Jubilee #4 "Not a Metaphor".


They are having a conversation about pity sex with Skin over his grave. O_o


"I wish I could be naked with Angelo." Damn, they need to reuse this dialogue for someone who's been mind controlled or had their brain infested by some alien paracite.

So in conclusion... For some reason Gischler doesn't look all that bad now. :p

[Starleafgirl]

Rockslide tries his Macho tough guy act (complete with randomly saying how "slam'n" Psylocke is), but Jubilee sees straight through it and figures out he was terrified by the recent battle at Utopia (vs Dark Avengers IIRC). He also claims Anole is crushing on Jubilee. If you read the latter as blatant projection of his own feelings, and add that with Jubilee being badass enough to see through his bravado, I guess you could build a ship out of it...

Right... lol, jeez.

His stuff was hillariously bad. It's on the level of the more dubious fanfiction.

Hmm this is my 100th post in the Jubilee thread. Time to celebrate by in style, by posting Chuck Austen's Jubilee magnum opus!

"he wanted to hold something against me, literally speaking, and I wouldn't let him". To quote Wolverine and Jubilee #4 "Not a Metaphor".

They are having a conversation about pity sex with Skin over his grave. O_o

"I wish I could be naked with Angelo." Damn, they need to reuse this dialogue for someone who's been mind controlled.

So in conclusion... For some reason Gischler doesn't look all that bad now. :p

I really tried, just to have more to make fun of, but I couldn't actually read past the first two pages of that. It's every bit as horrible as I remember... must /eyebleach. D:

Gischler not being bad compared to Austen isn't a compliment, lol.

The insults, the innuendo, etc., none of it read to me like a conversation Paige and Jubilee would actually have. I can accept that Skin may've asked Jubes out before he died, but that's it. There needs to be another graveyard scene with Paige and Jubilee just to make up for that one. Maybe on the anniversary of Angelo's death.

Happy 100th, Herring!

[nate-grey]

Oh god, I keep trying to forget that ever happened. How did that scene ever make it past an editor? I read some of Austen's stuff from DC, and it wasn't anywhere near this pathetic and perverted. His whole run on Uncanny was just one bad mistake after another.

[Likewater]

Ahhhhh and the hatred for all that is Chuck Austin returns.

[nate-grey]

Ahhhhh and the hatred for all that is Chuck Austin returns.

I think he has some perfectly valid story ideas, but he needs a heavy editorial hand and should never be allowed free reign over scripts. Maybe a nice co-plotter position would suit him well.

[Herring]

Ah yes, forgot about Chamber. I've always thought their dynamic was more platonic than anything. Just good friends. Jono certainly never angsted over Jubes like he did with Paige. At least Synch had a few weird fantasies about marrying Jubilee and opening a day care center lol.

That's a pretty feminine fantasy. Then again Jubilee always able to beat him up and steal his potato chips/bubble mix whenever she wanted to. It's obvious who'd be wearing the pants in that ship. :p

I figured the M/Jubilee ship comes from the romantic comedy convention of having mutual antagonism turn out to be complementary character traits that fill some need they have. But they're both so comfortable with themselves that I think they really just can't stand each other. =P

I thought most of the hostility between Jubilee and Monet (and it was mostly Monet driving it, especially toward the end) came from Jubilee being naturally comfortable and confident, while Monet had to put on a front. IIRC X-Factor explained that Monet actually felt very vunerable due to all the trouble she had from Emplate. That probably made Monet uncomfortable around Jubilee.

Haha probably Liu having a moment where her youthful indiscretions came back to haunt her. She had quite a few Gambit/Jubilee fanfics on her old fansite no? Gambit and Jubilee really is quite ick, though. At best I see them as a brother/sister pair.

LOL. To be fair to Liu, most of the fanfics on her site were submitted by others. Her own ones generally tended to shy away from smut. Though they did often have the form of "Gambit + Wolverine + Mary Sue become 'good friends' and all live together". Take from that what you will.

Was never really sure why Jubilee developed a crush on Logan. Sure, he's like the guy who protects and rescues her, but he just doesn't seem like the prettyboy type a teenager goes squee for. Always felt that was more of a convenient plot device for CC than a realistic development.

Remember Jubilee had atypical tastes from the beginning; she was also living on the street for a while. That might make her like tough guys over pretty boys. She even had a sign on her bedroom in generation X that said "No Prettyboys".

On the other hand she's got a video casette somewhere (betamax no doubt) which has an interview with shirtless Luke Perry on it... :p

Haha perhaps a twist on the old trope that women end up marrying their fathers? This would be so bizarre and literal I find myself actually interested in reading it if it happens. I think it's not just that it's one of the more developed relationships for Jubilee, but these two actually complement and fit each other quite a bit. They can help each other grow. Very unlike M.

I actually feel kind of sad that X-23's apparently about to have a few issues romancing Hellion. In all rational measures, Jubilee's actually a better (and more interesting) partner for her.

Yeah actually, although I hoped that was more some kind of skanky thrall power Xarus had tsk.

What really worried me was Jubilee seemed ok with the whole thing in spite of Xarus also being involved with some Siren Sect lady. Jubilee should not be part of someone else's Harem. (especially after she's worked so hard to build her own Wolverine/Gambit/Rockslide/X-23/Pixie harem :p)

Hey, Shane Shooter is out there...somewhere. Let's hope he doesn't come back.

I really disliked Shane shooter. His power was using his hand as a gun, and he pointed his hand in people's faces, effectively the same as a normal gangster shoving a pistol in someone's face. The Jubilee series should have ended with her detonating him.

I really tried, just to have more to make fun of, but I couldn't actually read past the first two pages of that. It's every bit as horrible as I remember... must /eyebleach. D:

Gischler not being bad compared to Austen isn't a compliment, lol.

He also said Jubilee's powers were more wussy than Husk's, which makes me RAEG almost as badly as the cemetary dialogue.

The insults, the innuendo, etc., none of it read to me like a conversation Paige and Jubilee would actually have. I can accept that Skin may've asked Jubes out before he died, but that's it. There needs to be another graveyard scene with Paige and Jubilee just to make up for that one. Maybe on the anniversary of Angelo's death.

I can imagine the new cemetary scene now.

Husk and Jubilee stand solemly at the grave.
Jubilee: Do you remember the last time we were here?
Husk: No.
Jubilee: Actually neither do I.
Husk: It must have been around the time Pixie's powers went crazy and overdosed everyone with fairy dust.
Jubilee: It feels like there were a good couple of months I can't really remember, and for some reason I don't think I want to try.

Happy 100th, Herring!

Thanks. Hope I didn't permanently blind anyone with those scans

[NPC016]

lol 100th already? Wow, time flies. Gratz Herring! Here's to a few hundred more. :)

I thought most of the hostility between Jubilee and Monet (and it was mostly Monet driving it, especially toward the end) came from Jubilee being naturally comfortable and confident, while Monet had to put on a front. IIRC X-Factor explained that Monet actually felt very vunerable due to all the trouble she had from Emplate. That probably made Monet uncomfortable around Jubilee.

Ah, never read that particular one. Which issue of X-Factor was it? It's pretty standard for seemingly perfect girls to have some vulnerability so their love interest can worm their way in, but in Monet's case somehow the depiction struck me as the "perfectness" just being part of her character.

LOL. To be fair to Liu, most of the fanfics on her site were submitted by others. Her own ones generally tended to shy away from smut. Though they did often have the form of "Gambit + Wolverine + Mary Sue become 'good friends' and all live together". Take from that what you will.

Lol still, she put them on her site with recommendations. There's a deep, dark Gambit/Jubilee reader somewhere in there... as I've mentioned, her writing sometimes comes across as a bit maudlin and fangirlish (see Gambit and Sue Storm fawning all over Laura) but it's the kind of fanfic that hits the right spots, so you can forgive the occasional squick. Austen's writing, on the other hand, was so far over the top that it ran out of oxygen.

On the other hand she's got a video casette somewhere (betamax no doubt) which has an interview with shirtless Luke Perry on it... :p

Lol I gotta go look back for the prettyboy sign, but was it in reaction to Paige and Jono's emo teen angst in Gen X? Especially since she was rooming with Paige. Because I definitely remember Wolverine dragging a protesting Jubilee out just as she was getting ready to watch said shirtless Perry. (Sigh, how old am I that I remember rolling my eyes at my friends swooning over him and 90210?)

I actually feel kind of sad that X-23's apparently about to have a few issues romancing Hellion. In all rational measures, Jubilee's actually a better (and more interesting) partner for her.

Agreed. Then again, when did the X-men have a lesbian couple? Also, I'm afraid they'd end up treating it like a standard TV drama gimmick for "shock value". Or worse, end it with the dead lesbian cliche. (Although come to think of it, Jubilee's already technically dead, so I suppose it's a bit hard to end it that way hyuk).

What really worried me was Jubilee seemed ok with the whole thing in spite of Xarus also being involved with some Siren Sect lady. Jubilee should not be part of someone else's Harem. (especially after she's worked so hard to build her own Wolverine/Gambit/Rockslide/X-23/Pixie harem :p)

Hence my hope that it was really some skanky thrall power and not Jubilee suddenly getting all co-dependent. She can get her own harem, thank you very much!

As for Shane...he pretty much was a gangster lol. I really didn't like the way they did that wrong side of the tracks thing with him and Jubilee though. Just a terrible character and character use all round.

He also said Jubilee's powers were more wussy than Husk's, which makes me RAEG almost as badly as the cemetary dialogue.

Ugh. That cemetery scene encapsulates all that is wrong with Austen's run. Terrible storylines, terrible characterisation and canon knowledge, terrible dialogue. Which almost makes me glad Jubilee disappeared halfway in his run.

Your 100th post deserves better:



Dear Chuck, this is how you write schmaltz...

[Herring]

lol 100th already? Wow, time flies. Gratz Herring! Here's to a few hundred more. :)

Thanks. For quite a while the majority of my posts were in this thread. Then I ended up making hundreds of posts in less than a week in survivor bold blue. :p

Ah, never read that particular one. Which issue of X-Factor was it? It's pretty standard for seemingly perfect girls to have some vulnerability so their love interest can worm their way in, but in Monet's case somehow the depiction struck me as the "perfectness" just being part of her character.

X-Factor Vol 3 #13 :)

Lol still, she put them on her site with recommendations. There's a deep, dark Gambit/Jubilee reader somewhere in there... as I've mentioned, her writing sometimes comes across as a bit maudlin and fangirlish (see Gambit and Sue Storm fawning all over Laura) but it's the kind of fanfic that hits the right spots, so you can forgive the occasional squick. Austen's writing, on the other hand, was so far over the top that it ran out of oxygen.

LOL Austen's writing reads like it was lifted directly from a low rating daytime soap. It's so bad that I get a laugh out of the audacity of it - and the fact that it somehow cleared the editors and got published. As for Liu, well arguably everything the other writers produce is fanboy-ish, so its nice to have someone even it out

Lol I gotta go look back for the prettyboy sign, but was it in reaction to Paige and Jono's emo teen angst in Gen X? Especially since she was rooming with Paige. Because I definitely remember Wolverine dragging a protesting Jubilee out just as she was getting ready to watch said shirtless Perry. (Sigh, how old am I that I remember rolling my eyes at my friends swooning over him and 90210?)

It was generation-X #67, see below.

And I'm not sure if "no pretty boys" works on someone who's missing a jaw and has a neckbeard of fire.
Protip Sync: If you ever see a girl approching you like that, run for it. Especially if said girl can canonically beat the hell out of you in hand to hand.

Agreed. Then again, when did the X-men have a lesbian couple? Also, I'm afraid they'd end up treating it like a standard TV drama gimmick for "shock value". Or worse, end it with the dead lesbian cliche. (Although come to think of it, Jubilee's already technically dead, so I suppose it's a bit hard to end it that way hyuk).

Isn't Karma (New Mutants) supposed to be gay? She's still mostly alive, just had a limb blown off lol. Anyway, I'd be happy if they just kept writing them as in X-23#12. Make them into marvel's answer to Harley and Ivy. BTW has X-23 EVER properly smiled in the X-23 series, other than when Jubilee convinces her to Jump of the Eifel Tower? Seems Jubilee is the only one who can make her smile.

Your 100th post deserves better:



Dear Chuck, this is how you write schmaltz...

That whole issue is worth buying just to get those Eifel tower pages.

But why post something wonderful - people will let you do that anytime. A special occasion is best used as an excuse to get away with something you normally couldn't. In this case, posting a trainwreck. :p

Actually I'm currently trying to compile five to ten of the worst written moments for Jubilee, which is why I have the Austen scans handy. If anyone has any other suggestions....

[Starleafgirl]

He also said Jubilee's powers were more wussy than Husk's, which makes me RAEG almost as badly as the cemetary dialogue.

~co-RAEG'd

I can imagine the new cemetary scene now.

Husk and Jubilee stand solemly at the grave.
Jubilee: Do you remember the last time we were here?
Husk: No.
Jubilee: Actually neither do I.
Husk: It must have been around the time Pixie's powers went crazy and overdosed everyone with fairy dust.
Jubilee: It feels like there were a good couple of months I can't really remember, and for some reason I don't think I want to try.

Husk: And, hey, his name is misspelled here! What the hell?!



But yes, that would actually make much more sense. Would also explain the sky sex in front of Mamma Guthrie.

Due to the awful, awful Austen scene, I've tried to put it right in my own mind by giving some thought as to how I'd like to see them return to the grave of Angelo and I was thinkin' it'd be Husk, Jubilee, Chamber, and Penance there. Someone makes an excuse for M (who really isn't there because of Penance), who would be visiting Everett's grave alone. Really sad issue. I know the X-Men comics are supposed to be all about action and stuff, but can't they slow down and think about a few of those (many, many) who've been lost from time to time? It'd make them more relatable.

And at the very least, they need to make up for letting Austen write that scene in the first place.

Although now that I think about it, doesn't Angelo have two graves? One that his mother visits and one that his friends visit. Hmm, pretty weird. Better than trying to explain to someone why you're digging up their dead son, though. Still wouldn't excuse giving him a pseudonym on the second one.

Agreed. Then again, when did the X-men have a lesbian couple? Also, I'm afraid they'd end up treating it like a standard TV drama gimmick for "shock value". Or worse, end it with the dead lesbian cliche. (Although come to think of it, Jubilee's already technically dead, so I suppose it's a bit hard to end it that way hyuk).

Yes, their relationship would be full of "shocking confrontations!" Lol, oh man, best solit euphemism ever.

Actually I'm currently trying to compile five to ten of the worst written moments for Jubilee, which is why I have the Austen scans handy. If anyone has any other suggestions....

That racist, "wtf" story penned by Chris Claremont under a pseudonym. You might also want to look into New Warriors, Vol. 4, but I think she may've actually had the best dialogue out of the "Friends" in that "Nighthawk and Friends" totally-not-a-team title -- which isn't saying much, but still.

[NPC016]

LOL Austen's writing reads like it was lifted directly from a low rating daytime soap. It's so bad that I get a laugh out of the audacity of it - and the fact that it somehow cleared the editors and got published. As for Liu, well arguably everything the other writers produce is fanboy-ish, so its nice to have someone even it out

Heh, it was so bad I'm wondering why has a meme not been created for it. Chuck Austen is so bad...

I agree with Starleaf. Gischler's much better than Austen, although that's like saying Darth Vader was less evil than Emperor Palpatine.

Sorry, had a bit too many pints earlier in the evening, my analogy generator's a bit random.

Isn't Karma (New Mutants) supposed to be gay? She's still mostly alive, just had a limb blown off lol. Anyway, I'd be happy if they just kept writing them as in X-23#12. Make them into marvel's answer to Harley and Ivy. BTW has X-23 EVER properly smiled in the X-23 series, other than when Jubilee convinces her to Jump of the Eifel Tower? Seems Jubilee is the only one who can make her smile.

Yeah, but they've never really depicted Karma having a relationship on-panel (that I'm aware of) other than an unrequited crush on Kitty or something? Dead lesbian cliches usually work with them killing off the character or her partner on-screen, like Tara with Willow in Buffy.

The Harley and Ivy thing could be cool. I actually wouldn't have minded if Schism had ended with Jubilee and Laura deciding "Screw those two yokels, we've got a life!" and take off together in their own series.

Yes, their relationship would be full of "shocking confrontations!" Lol, oh man, best solit euphemism ever.

Haha, "shocking confrontation" in that context might be more suited to Surge.

Actually I'm currently trying to compile five to ten of the worst written moments for Jubilee, which is why I have the Austen scans handy. If anyone has any other suggestions....

They're mostly Austen moments. Like the time she, Paige, Havok and Iceman were imprisoned during The Draco (I can't remember the storyline much anymore - thank god!). The finale being that Jubilee uses her powers on some blind villain,who laughs in her face saying lightshows don't work on the blind. Sheesh.

Although I think there was a scene in Muir Island Saga where she gets into a fight with Gambit over his ragging on Wolverine, Gambit floors her with his old "bang you dead" line and she runs away crying about how "men are doobers". In the middle of a stealth mission. She was very young and that was the first time she was working with the entire team at once, but kind of cringed a bit there.

[Herring]

They're mostly Austen moments. Like the time she, Paige, Havok and Iceman were imprisoned during The Draco (I can't remember the storyline much anymore - thank god!). The finale being that Jubilee uses her powers on some blind villain,who laughs in her face saying lightshows don't work on the blind. Sheesh.

Although I think there was a scene in Muir Island Saga where she gets into a fight with Gambit over his ragging on Wolverine, Gambit floors her with his old "bang you dead" line and she runs away crying about how "men are doobers". In the middle of a stealth mission. She was very young and that was the first time she was working with the entire team at once, but kind of cringed a bit there.

I've seen one image floating around tumblr with Jubilee getting smashed in the face by someone throwing a beer bottle. That always seemed bad, but I can't figure out where it's from. Any ideas?

Then there's her just standing still during training while psylocke rushes up and psyknifes her, after which Jubilee asks herself when she's going to stop being useless.

[Likewater]

Haaaaate Chuuuuuk Aaaaaaussstin.

[Starleafgirl]

Heh, it was so bad I'm wondering why has a meme not been created for it. Chuck Austen is so bad...

I agree with Starleaf. Gischler's much better than Austen, although that's like saying Darth Vader was less evil than Emperor Palpatine.

Exactly! Lol.

They're mostly Austen moments. Like the time she, Paige, Havok and Iceman were imprisoned during The Draco (I can't remember the storyline much anymore - thank god!). The finale being that Jubilee uses her powers on some blind villain,who laughs in her face saying lightshows don't work on the blind. Sheesh.

... That scene should've continued with her getting really mad and going nuclear on him, like when she blew up that building in Generation X. What the hell was wrong with Austen, thinking her powers were just pretty lights? And that Husk's powers were weak? Did he bother to research any of these characters at all? Something tells me he needed the artist to point out to him which ones were which.

As for those other moments, Herring... sorry, I don't know. :x

[NPC016]

Ah yeah I saw that beer bottle shot but can't remember where it came from. Been meaning to go hunt it down. The art and the red shirt when she was using Robin's colours hints at her earlier Wolverine appearances around Hama's run I think? Meaning to go out soon so I'll have a sniff around later.

I've read some mentions about Jubilee sneaking out of the X-Mansion to hook up with a bad crowd and stealing stuff at the mall. After she hurts some cops Cyclops grounds her and takes her off active duty to give her "mental space". I've never seen that issue though. Kind of funny because I think she was used in some public service announcements against shoplifting back in the day.

Oh, and I suppose the moments don't get much worse than getting crucified. I've never quite understood how that came to be - I get that she's reluctant to hurt people, but when a lynch mob is intent on murdering you and your friends by nailing them to a cross you'd think some unleashing is in order. Even if she was just a lightshow to Austen surely it's not inconceivable that she could blind the lot and get away?