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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia View Post
    I´d rather not.
    That was one of the most forgetable Catwomen to ever grace the silver sceen (and that´s counting CINO).
    Really? I thought she was the highlight. She was far more intriguing than either Bane or Batman; Those two clowns were running around wrecking the city, while she was busy trying to survive the fallout. Any idiot can make her a vapid sexpot (to spectacularly horrible results as evidenced by: Batman returns and that Hale Berry trainwreck) but it took skill to make her a cool, put-upon everyman.

    WW is still a virgin right now.How did she even know about sex?
    That's silly. I figured the entire thing out when I was in third grade. I'm not saying I had sex when I was a third grader, rather that I was flipping through one of my Mom's romance novels, read the purple prose sex scene (something to the affect of "He plunged his swollen rod into her quivering mound" or something such, although I was a little lost on what a nipple was and why it was standing). Besides, Diana might be a virgin but the warrior caste on her Island certainly were not and no matter the gender, jocks like to talk.

    Oh, I absolutely agree. Sex sells, so men and women can both be objectified to make a buck. I do think that women are subjected to this practice more than men, however.
    I think it's the overtness of how women are exploited that makes it seem more numerous. Advertising for women tends to be a bit more subtle about things, whereas when they want to get things sold to dudes they get a touch more explicit. I like to think that this is because men are more visual in nature and it takes a little more effort to get our attention, but odds are it's because we're dumber and being subtle with us is a wasted effort.

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    Wonder Woman: Oh, this is like that time When my people rape the sailors and killed them?Are you going to kill me?

    Superman: Uhhh yea, something like that.Now close your eyes and keep your mouth shut.
    In order for that to be funny I have to envision a scenario where Supes wouldn't get a star-spangled kneepad slammed into his balls at sonic speed after saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daesim View Post
    Really? I thought she was the highlight. She was far more intriguing than either Bane or Batman; Those two clowns were running around wrecking the city, while she was busy trying to survive the fallout. Any idiot can make her a vapid sexpot (to spectacularly horrible results as evidenced by: Batman returns and that Hale Berry trainwreck) but it took skill to make her a cool, put-upon everyman.
    How exactly was she an everyman?
    'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
    'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia View Post
    Assuming that there even is such a thing as "sexy fanservice" in porn, does porn have any good stories in it?
    I haven't watched porn in years so I can't judge but the concept of porn allows for good stories with sex in them. So I would say yes.

    Pandering to fans is annoying and made me feel like an idiot for buying the comic. It's unnecessary and adds nothing to the plot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fate's Faith View Post
    If you equate porn with Catwoman #1 then obviously you need to make use of the internet more thoroughly because the scenes in Catwoman could be seen during family hour on network television.
    I never said it was porn, I just said its need was defeated by porn. It clearly isn't porn but I don't like being treated like a 12 year old who just hit puberty. Which is what Catwoman #1 was.
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    Simple answer. Yes. And comics have set precedence already to have love scenes. Hey Hippolyta was doing it on a whole page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daesim View Post
    Really? I thought she was the highlight. She was far more intriguing than either Bane or Batman;
    This cup in my hand is more intriguing than either one of them.
    Doesn't change the fact that she was the weakest Catwoman in history (barring CINO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia View Post
    This cup in my hand is more intriguing than either one of them.
    Doesn't change the fact that she was the weakest Catwoman in history (barring CINO).
    The idea that Michelle Pheiffer was better is laughable. To me, Pheiffer and Berry where memorable because of how awful they were. Literally nothing like Catwoman at all personality wise but I suppose Pheiffer was fun to watch because she was hamming it up so much (lthat's the biggest compliment to the Burton films is that they ham it up so much it's hard not to laugh at them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquacatlungfish View Post
    The idea that Michelle Pheiffer was better is laughable. To me, Pheiffer and Berry where memorable because of how awful they were. Literally nothing like Catwoman at all personality wise but I suppose Pheiffer was fun to watch because she was hamming it up so much (lthat's the biggest compliment to the Burton films is that they ham it up so much it's hard not to laugh at them).
    Pfeiffer was great, but she wasn't playing Catwoman. She was playing a new character that superficially looked a lot like Catwoman.

    Halle Berry played the same character, but was not very good at it.
    'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
    'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."

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    I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    You know, I'm all for more realistic women in comics, I hate Pwer Girls boob window with a vengeance, but coem on, it's Cat-Woman. She's the ultimate femme fatale.
    Sex appeal is a huge part of her character. You can't handle sex appeal at all, don't read books like Cat-Woman or Vampirella.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquacatlungfish View Post
    I never said it was porn, I just said its need was defeated by porn. It clearly isn't porn but I don't like being treated like a 12 year old who just hit puberty. Which is what Catwoman #1 was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquacatlungfish View Post
    Because if I wanted "sexy" fansevice I would watch porn and not be treated like some dumb idiot who only reads comics for T&A. That's all Catwoman #1 was.
    or mabye you should stop insulting people just cus they might enjoy attractive imagry on another level then you. how the F##k does it make some one dumb and a idiot just cus they enjoy something differently than you. and just cus they do enjoy such in comics that does not mean they dont enjoy the stories that go with it. its not as freaking simple as one or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daesim View Post
    Instead of pandering to what a bunch of emotionally-arrested perverts wanted.
    mabye they wouldnt be emotionaly repressed if they didnt have to listen to women calling them perverts and other bullshit just cus they dont act like they have 0 sexual intrest in anything.


    i am not defending stalkers and other Real pervert types but insulting people just cus they might get some level of of enjoyment from sexual imagery from any form of entertainment and dsregarding them as imature perverts and dumb idiots, is cruel, arrogant, narcisisitic and above all very likely the type of shit that led to thease people being lonely, depressed and such

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieartman View Post
    mabye they wouldnt be emotionaly repressed if they didnt have to listen to women calling them perverts and other bullshit just cus they dont act like they have 0 sexual intrest in anything.
    Sexual interest is fine, but superhero comics isn't the place to cater to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Sexual interest is fine, but superhero comics isn't the place to cater to them.
    why not? film and litritchure can and has been used to cater to every type of subgrene in existance. why cant comics. yes i dont think that should completly take over or be the point of a mainstream comic, but i really dont think it should be completly cast out ether.
    like the catwoman #1 people are calling it nothing but T&A but i still got plenty of enjoyment from the story at the same time as i was enjoying the attractice visuals. and i think it was a damn fine set up issue for that arc. like i definatly dont think the same level of T&A woould be appropritate for a Wonder woman or huntress title but i feel it fits Fine for catwoman. but most of the people on here say it should not be put in any comic ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Sexual interest is fine, but superhero comics isn't the place to cater to them.
    I totally agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Movieartman View Post
    why not? film and litritchure can and has been used to cater to every type of subgrene in existance. why cant comics.
    I didn't say comics, I said superhero comics. Alan Moore did a story called "Lost Girls" which was supposed to be "intelligent porn." That's obviously fine. But superheroes are power fantasies geared to more general audiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    Sexual interest is fine, but superhero comics isn't the place to cater to them.
    Why not?
    Creativity should not be compartimentalised by outdated XIX century morality.
    If someone can come up with an interesting way to depict sex in superhero comics or french cuisine recipe books, I say go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    I didn't say comics, I said superhero comics.
    Because atreactive adults in tights should never have sex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseu Gouveia View Post
    Why not?
    Creativity should not be compartimentalised by outdated XIX century morality.
    If someone can come up with an interesting way to depict sex in superhero comics or french cuisine recipe books, I say go for it.
    And I say publish them somewhere else.


    Because atreactive adults in tights should never have sex?
    On-panel, no. As Darwyn Cooke put it best, comics should " stop catering to the perverted needs of 45 year old men..."

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