Magnus Family Appreciation II

[jlmoor]

She is the Queen of the House of M , the Age of Apocalypse and AOX ,616 universe is next.

heh. I think she's kind of her step-dad in AoX.

I thought HoM was interesting in how they kept the family together. Mystique, Rogue and NC all being like the badass top cops.

[DarkMagnus]

heh. I think she's kind of her step-dad in AoX.

I thought HoM was interesting in how they kept the family together. Mystique, Rogue and NC all being like the badass top cops.

Supposedly there will be a support history about House of M with the Rogue patrol´s in her Anniversary Issue, Maybe here they will show her wedding with King Magnus.

[jlmoor]

Supposedly there will be a support history about House of M with the Rogue patrol´s in her Anniversary Issue, Maybe here they will show her wedding with King Magnus.

lol, you're approach is a bit different than mine. however, somehow I think more effective.

I'm wonder (more dreading) if behbeh Charles is going to show in the UXF AoA arc.

[teddyeatsyourface]

Between all the alt/future children they have been in the X-books. Charles and Nocturne are the best. lmao

Nocturne was actually useful and Charles was basically seen and not heard.

Since AoA UFC arc is set 10 years after the 2005 aoa mini, then that means Charles should be about 16. If he isn't dead. :(

[GambitXRemy]

She is the Queen of the House of M , the Age of Apocalypse and AOX ,616 universe is next.

Who are we talking about rogue?

[GambitXRemy]

Supposedly there will be a support history about House of M with the Rogue patrol´s in her Anniversary Issue, Maybe here they will show her wedding with King Magnus.

where did they say this

[jlmoor]

Between all the alt/future children they have been in the X-books. Charles and Nocturne are the best. lmao

Nocturne was actually useful and Charles was basically seen and not heard.

Since AoA UFC arc is set 10 years after the 2005 aoa mini, then that means Charles should be about 16. If he isn't dead. :(

I thought he was like 3 in that mini? Anyhow, I think it would be kind of fun if Remender had him show up as a total jackass. I mean you grow up your mom not being able to touch you, your dad in jail, I'm thinking the boy's got issues. And neither of his parents are really known for being even tempered. I don't mean like all supervillainy with daddy issues, because that's been done, just kind of a hardass.

okay complete reversal on whether or not I want the kid to show. Now I want him to have a mini.


I liked Nocturne.

[teddyeatsyourface]

He was 6 in the mini (and cute as a button!). I wonder what kind of power he has o__O
Is like Magnus from Exiles or is a psychic?


Also, I assume Magnus is out of Jail for this crossover.

[jlmoor]

He was 6 in the mini (and cute as a button!). I wonder what kind of power he has o__O
Is like Magnus from Exiles or is a psychic?


Also, I assume Magnus is out of Jail for this crossover.

Out of jail now, but who knows how long he was in there.
I wish he'd get a hair cut for the crossover.

With AoA having so many writers, I was pretty polarized on my opinion of AoA Magneto. Still one of my favorite scenes was when Ellis had him talking to Mystique

I'll accept behbeh Charles, I trust Remender, UXF has been stellar. I can't wait for Aaron to get a hold of the x-men in schism. His x-stuff in Wolverine (for the little he's done with them) is fantastic.

[ViciousX]

Why does the majority of this board seem to hate Magneto so much? It seems everywhere else I go, people discuss what a great and multi-faceted character Magneto is. Then I come here, and there seems to be hardly anything but contempt thrown his way.

[GambitXRemy]

Supposedly there will be a support history about House of M with the Rogue patrol´s in her Anniversary Issue, Maybe here they will show her wedding with King Magnus.

where did you read this at or do you have a link to it

[teddyeatsyourface]

Why does the majority of this board seem to hate Magneto so much? It seems everywhere else I go, people discuss what a great and multi-faceted character Magneto is. Then I come here, and there seems to be hardly anything but contempt thrown his way.

It's kinda like that with a bunch of characters. But you're right, you'll most likely have to go to another forum to discuss Magneto(and others) civilly. Almost every character discussion on CBR turns into ___ vs___ then to Emma vs Jean.

[Foon4000]

AOA Magneto wasn't de-aged, right? Surely 15 years after the anniversary issue he's got to be as old as Methuselah.

Why does the majority of this board seem to hate Magneto so much? It seems everywhere else I go, people discuss what a great and multi-faceted character Magneto is. Then I come here, and there seems to be hardly anything but contempt thrown his way.

It's because of the Xorn retcon. Every Magneto appearance on panel reminds some fans of the retcon, just like some Spiderman fans hate Spiderman's girlfriends because they're a symbol of OMD.

Plus, Magneto's very high profile but he's not personally popular the way Wolverine and Storm are. He and Xavier are hard people to really feel affection for.

The nature of her powers lies in violation. Any time she touches someone, she violates them by taking their power, memories, and nearly kills them in the process. That is until recently

No more than Jean's or Betsy's does. She can't help the way her powers are and she's never used it for kicks since the Carol Danvers incident. The way she uses her power is completely different from the way Magneto used his power on her.

But that's not that's not what this is about, it's about how she reacted/what her feelings were about what he made her do. That's the issue right? You' re upset because there is a chance that she will wind up with someone who she sees as violating her. Valid point.

Exactly. It was a horrible thing to do, and the issues following UXM 350 Rogue nearly had a (second) nervous breakdown.

Rogue is not going to wind up the weeping woman, I have no idea where you are getting them from anything Carey has written. If anything, it can and will be used as a way to make her stronger. She's attracted to him. Strong, independent, smart woman make terrible personal choices some times. It happens. Carey has to show her getting over him, and not just because she's hurt or angry, because she's dealt with it and deemed him not worthy.

A strong, independent woman can get into a relationship with someone who later reveals themselves to be A Very Bad Idea (we've all seen it happen, I'm sure), but this isn't the case here. Rogue knows what he did to her. Choosing to be in a relationship, or even a flirtation, knowing this already is insane ('Gee, whoever thought that guy who mentally raped me would turn out to be a lousy boyfriend').

And I'm not sure where you are getting your info as far as Rogue/Bobby. the internet, let alone CBR is hardly a reliable source as far as what the fans want. CBR is CBR and populated with people that like internet message boards, and happen to like comics as well.

It is a complex algorithim of Things Posted On Deviant Art x Stuff In People's Livejournal Icons x Forum Chatter / Tumblrs. Wolverine/Rogue have a surprising amount of shippers, too.

no it's not. Like I said, sometimes people make stupid choices. X-Men is not a pamphlet of 'how to make positive decisions in relationships.' There is an attraction. And yes, people can still be attracted to people that do horrible things to them. I don't think working through that is an affront to women. Also, it certainly seems like the x-office is ignoring that line about mental rape.

Of course they are, because it gets in the way of the story they want to tell. My point is that it's something hugely offensive to ignore.

I don't think it's a 'some people are so damaged they just keep walking into awful relationships' story either.

This whole line of reasoning seems like a thinly veiled attempt to accuse the x-office of advocating rape and the demoralization of women if they show Rogue being attracted to Magneto. I'm just not buying that, and this convo is going in circles.

Because they're not doing it on purpose doesn't mean it's not a perfectly valid interpretation of the storyline. One that should have been foreseen, considering X-Fans are well known for being sensitive.

Anyway, Marvel does have a serious woman problem. Emma's personality has been torn off and retconned so she can be Scott's perfect, bland soul mate. Storm was taken out of the X-men to marry Black Panther. X-23 is just a pervert's fantasy. Wanda was made hysterical and MJ was magicked out of Peter's life.

He's a popular character (despite the loathing this board has for him), they wanted to use him. I don't think the Rogue/Magneto thing is a creator wank at all.

The X-Office is driven by what the X-Office wants, even if none of the fans care. They've had a bad case of group think for years. See all the retcons of Emma's history.

[jlmoor]

Why does the majority of this board seem to hate Magneto so much? It seems everywhere else I go, people discuss what a great and multi-faceted character Magneto is. Then I come here, and there seems to be hardly anything but contempt thrown his way.

Most of the posters on this thread don't, but for some reason alot of the people that do like to come on here and tear him apart. This thread used to have a ton of people on it, but day after day of people coming on, whenever a group was having a discussion and start arguements on purpose kind of turned everyone off. If you look back at some of the archived stuff, it's even worse, and completely departed the text. Hell, look at the first page of this thread and you'll see what the norm was, and why a lot of people left.

He's liked quite a bit on other threads, or at least there's not hate spewed when mentioned.

What can be pretty fun is watching the Doom vs. Magneto in 'who's a better....' discussions on the Marvel board. It's pretty hilarious. My favorite 'point' that someone made was how Doom was superior in the movie verse because that guy looked better naked

nothing like a sophisticated meeting of the minds.

*looks at Iron Maiden*

[jlmoor]

It's because of the Xorn retcon. Every Magneto appearance on panel reminds some fans of the retcon, just like some Spiderman fans hate Spiderman's girlfriends because they're a symbol of OMD.

some people make it because of the Xorn retcon, and tie the character to the fallout between Morrison and Marvel.

Magneto is my favorite character, and I loved Morrison's run. I'm one of the few

Plus, Magneto's very high profile but he's not personally popular the way Wolverine and Storm are. He and Xavier are hard people to really feel affection for.

I disagree, it's only on this board people are so loathsome about him. I've never seen people so negative anywhere else on the internet or in RL. The reason he's high profile, and the reason he's around so much, and the reson the Xorn thing was retconned is because people do like him. Just not the people that come onto this thread a lot of the time.

No more than Jean's or Betsy's does. She can't help the way her powers are and she's never used it for kicks since the Carol Danvers incident. The way she uses her power is completely different from the way Magneto used his power on her.

It wasnt' for kicks, it was to prove something to her, and the x-men. Poor decision? Yes, an act of rape? to Rogue, but I don't think I'd see it that way.

Exactly. It was a horrible thing to do, and the issues following UXM 350 Rogue nearly had a (second) nervous breakdown.

kay

A strong, independent woman can get into a relationship with someone who later reveals themselves to be A Very Bad Idea (we've all seen it happen, I'm sure), but this isn't the case here. Rogue knows what he did to her. Choosing to be in a relationship, or even a flirtation, knowing this already is insane ('Gee, whoever thought that guy who mentally raped me would turn out to be a lousy boyfriend').

and totally realistic. People get with people that are not good for them, or have done some pretty bad things to them all the time. It's how it's handled that's key. It's not insane, and you overgeneralizations about the situation seem a bit dramatic to me. But, to each his own. comics have ignored/done this kind of thing before. Sure, Marvel has never been able to redeem Hank, but they sure as hell kept them together until she died.

It is a complex algorithim of Things Posted On Deviant Art x Stuff In People's Livejournal Icons x Forum Chatter / Tumblrs. Wolverine/Rogue have a surprising amount of shippers, too.

so, the internet. I still don't take people who draw boy on boy FMA pics on DA, or various fanfics sites as the authority of what the everyday reader wants. And judging from what I've seen at cons, I don't think the creators do either. the guy whining about Magneto/Rogue because of the age diff at C2E2 was pretty much blown off.

Of course they are, because it gets in the way of the story they want to tell. My point is that it's something hugely offensive to ignore.

and I think it's a story. Falcon being a pimp is offensive, so they ignore it most of the time

I don't think it's a 'some people are so damaged they just keep walking into awful relationships' story either.

It's not, they just don't want to dredge up every point in continuity to change a poor choice that someone made 15 years ago to move forward. honestly, would you feel any better if they retconned it? Say had that Magneto not be the one we have now? Say if this one is something Wanda constructed out of an idealized version of her father? Or that it's Joseph fully realizing Magneto's memories? Or some other clone? Or that he was possesed? Or would you find another reason to hate the idea of them together?

Because they're not doing it on purpose doesn't mean it's not a perfectly valid interpretation of the storyline. One that should have been foreseen, considering X-Fans are well known for being sensitive.

Which is why internet x-fans tend to get written off. There is no way to keep them happy, and from what I used to read when I did post on here, they tout up and down about how their not buying the books for this or that reason. Well, if sales drop off a ton *if* the two get together, then they'll do something. But accusing them of supporting rape comes of as spurious and infamatory.

Anyway, Marvel does have a serious woman problem. Emma's personality has been torn off and retconned so she can be Scott's perfect, bland soul mate. Storm was taken out of the X-men to marry Black Panther. X-23 is just a pervert's fantasy. Wanda was made hysterical and MJ was magicked out of Peter's life.

As opposed to her being a murderous fetish whore when she was with Sebastian.

I don't think Marvel has a problem with women, and they crap on their male characters just as much. Guys are just as over sexualized as men, just nobody complains about it. Look to Magneto for an example of both. If you are going to get upset because a woman gets married, or goes crazy, or has huge breasts, comics are not for you. Wanda's not the first character to go nutso because of her powers, MJ had the misfortune of being marrried to a main character (which never lasts, if Ms. Marvel gets married, that dude will be dead within a month), Why can't a female character get married? I've never understood this. If a female character gets married they're 'domesticated.' And she's not out of the x-men, she's in 3 of their books. And Africa was her home before the x-men. I'm not getting involved with that whole mess with BP though

X-23 has a MASSIVE female fanbase. Regardless of her origins.

The X-Office is driven by what the X-Office wants, even if none of the fans care. They've had a bad case of group think for years. See all the retcons of Emma's history.

I think you're mistaking what the internet fans want (who make up a pretty small fraction) for what the rest of the fans want. I'm happy with the x-books for the most part, if that makes me a crapy woman in your eyes, well, sorry. But loaded tossing loaded phrases like 'mental rape' or basically accusing a character of being a rapist aren't going to get you anywhere. It just makes people defensive.

if you're that upset, I suggest you write a strongly worded letter (they will respond, the office is very caring of fans who don't come off like crazies) to either the x-office or Mike Carey. Or go to a con and ask them yourself. Coming into a 'Magnus family appreciation' thread to call one of the members a rapist, or as you put in your first post 'a creepy pervert' isn't going to change the books. Or the fanbase. I don't think i've ever seen someone change their opinion of a character, that they like enough to post in a thread about, by someone's distaste of them.