Magnus Family Appreciation II

[jlmoor]

I think this will piss the Storm fans off a hell of a lot more than anyone here

Personally I am all for this.

No offence to BP who is a stand up guy and all.

[jlmoor]

Concerning UXM 520, am I to understand that Magneto goes from being rejuvenated again, and uber powerful, to keeling over from old age and frailty, to dispatching whole squadrons of Sentinels with a snap of his fingers to having to walk up a hill with a stick???

Does fraction remember he can fly? Oh wait, he has him flying only a page ago, so...wtf?

And if he's so weak he has to walk, how am I supposed to believe he's going to pull Kitty's bullet back to earth?(Which everyone seems to agree to he's probably doing)

This is getting hard to keep up with in terms of suspension of disbelief.

SPOILER TAGS!! No just kidding. I won't get his for a week or so. I imagine Fraction is going to have to wank something about being in tune with the universe and while his physical body may be yada yada yada, once in tune with the elements (insert jlmoor level fanwank here), and boom! There's Kitty. spoilers:

Fraction pretty much straight out said that he was bringing her back as a gift and show of trust

end of spoilers

[Shaid O Gray]

I think this will piss the Storm fans off a hell of a lot more than anyone here

I was thinking that too. How is this supposed to piss off Magneto fans? Sigh, what's this board coming to when the Trolls can't even troll properly anymore?

Personally I am all for this.

Me too! Faar better match than Magneto and Rogue. Storm has much more in common with Mags. Closer in age, both big leader-y types, both naturally regal, both prone to somewhat pompous speech patterns (well, it's true), both completely lacking a sense of humor (hey, it's true too).... All for it.

No offence to BP who is a stand up guy and all.

Oh absolutely, but there hasn't been much goodness from the union has there? In terms of drama and story I mean. I think a relationship between her and Mags could be far more interesting.

I imagine Fraction is going to have to wank something about being in tune with the universe and while his physical body may be yada yada yada, once in tune with the elements (insert jlmoor level fanwank here), and boom!

Yeah but that's the thing, isn't it? A lot of those inconsistencies could indeed be explained away with a little effort. (Maybe he wanted to save his energies before he started so he made the trip walking.) But Fraction almost never makes that effort. And so Magneto's power levels still change per page...

I love how many people are yelling 'he's faking! he's evile' when Magneto's dialogue clearly shows his genuine intentions to do good. You know, the dialogue he says out loud, while he's alone! Funny how thinking is like all hard and stuff to people.

[jlmoor]

I was thinking that too. How is this supposed to piss off Magneto fans? Sigh, what's this board coming to when the Trolls can't even troll properly anymore?

bees isn't trollingThe two of us genuinely support Stormneto (and some of the Storm fans might as well if it means breaking up her and BP). Bees is a genuine Wanda fan.........he/she just hates Magneto, but it is in defense of Wanda so it's all good. And he/she supports Wanda/Cap so he/she is most defintly good people with good judgement. He/she also provided the best arguement/reason for why I should like Jean Grey 'because she's pretty.'

Me too! Faar better match than Magneto and Rogue. Storm has much more in common with Mags. Closer in age, both big leader-y types, both naturally regal, both prone to somewhat pompous speech patterns (well, it's true), both completely lacking a sense of humor (hey, it's true too).... All for it.

I like what Carey is doing And if the last issue was not Magneto with a sense of humor, it's even more sad

Oh absolutely, but there hasn't been much goodness from the union has there? In terms of drama and story I mean. I think a relationship between her and Mags could be far more interesting.

There has been an ass ton of drama on the boards about it though.

Yeah but that's the thing, isn't it? A lot of those inconsistencies could indeed be explained away with a little effort. (Maybe he wanted to save his energies before he started so he made the trip walking.) But Fraction almost never makes that effort. And so Magneto's power levels still change per page...

I love how many people are yelling 'he's faking! he's evile' when Magneto's dialogue clearly shows his genuine intentions to do good. You know, the dialogue he says out loud, while he's alone! Funny how thinking is like all hard and stuff to people.

I still wouldn't be surprised if it winds up not being him. I mean it's probably him and all but the convo with Namor about his social skills being out of whack, his...............cloudy memories of Rogue hitting on him. Maybe it's an Astra clone that finally escaped the harem
I don't see them having him turn. Not to say he won't do something that pisses everyone off at one point and they turn against each other, but it will genuinely be for the good of mankind. That qwerty diary thing could wind up explaining a lot. If they use it.
As far as all the people yelling, I think they are hoping a creator will hear them or something.

[Kyle_Ion]

I think this will piss the Storm fans off a hell of a lot more than anyone here

Personally I am all for this.

No offence to BP who is a stand up guy and all.

wait, what am I missing. I miss a year or two from reading anything with the xmen and I come to the Magnus Appreciation thread and what do I see, a picture with magneto and Storm. So what am I missing, I thought storm didn't like Magneto?

[jlmoor]

wait, what am I missing. I miss a year or two from reading anything with the xmen and I come to the Magnus Appreciation thread and what do I see, a picture with magneto and Storm. So what am I missing, I thought storm didn't like Magneto?

She doesn't, but there are enough people that hate BP/Storm that other options have opened in the fanbase
That is a photoshop pic of Xorn and an issue of BP I believe.

how are behind are you in reading?

[Kyle_Ion]

She doesn't, but there are enough people that hate BP/Storm that other options have opened in the fanbase
That is a photoshop pic of Xorn and an issue of BP I believe.

how are behind are you in reading?

ah okay. Now that I think about it I would like Storm and Magneto become a permanent team where they work togehter and Storm starts defending Magneto from everyone even the Xmen, that might make everyone mad don't you think.

I used to read x men comics everytime one came out, but what really makes me mad and I'm still mad about it, is that they find what charles has done some things that they don't agree with and they kick him out. I say that they do not have a right to be mean to him, for all of the things that he has done for them over the years, example gave mutants a place they can hide from persecution. Once the comic came out where they were mean and rude to him was the issue that I stopped reading the xmen, though I did pick up the xmen issue where magneto was working alongside the Evolution guy.

[Shaid O Gray]

bees isn't trolling. The two of us genuinely support Stormneto (and some of the Storm fans might as well if it means breaking up her and BP). Bees is a genuine Wanda fan.........he/she just hates Magneto, but it is in defense of Wanda so it's all good. And he/she supports Wanda/Cap so he/she is most defintly good people with good judgement. He/she also provided the best arguement/reason for why I should like Jean Grey 'because she's pretty.'

Ah okay, that would explain it.

I like what Carey is doing And if the last issue was not Magneto with a sense of humor, it's even more sad

Well, closer to it than I've ever seen him at least, hehe. And I don't hate what Carey's doing, I'm just starting to see that in the end it doesn't change my opinion of the whole idea of it. I can't shake the feeling of him being a cradle-robber who wants to recapture his youth, and her like a student flirting with her professor because she has daddy issues. Neither of them looks good in that.

And yes I realize that my disparity in age with my wife makes me at least partially a hypocrite. It's just too big a gap here, and they don't bridge it because Marvel has clearly decided, more than ever, to play Magneto like and old, old man. Which is frustrating because you could easily play it very differently.

There has been an ass ton of drama on the boards about it though.

Yeah. I don't mind it much myself but I still can't really see it as a very good idea. Were they really thinking black people around america were now going to flock to Marvel comics because they married two black characters? Was that really the whole thing? Hard to fathom.

I still wouldn't be surprised if it winds up not being him. I mean it's probably him and all but the convo with Namor about his social skills being out of whack, his...............cloudy memories of Rogue hitting on him. Maybe it's an Astra clone that finally escaped the harem

Oh? I didn't know this theory was floating around, that it's not really him. Well, if they're going to do that again (Joseph, Xorneto) the boards will be aflame for the next 5 years...again. ("It WASN'T him!!! - "I WANT it to be him so therefore it WAAS!! AAAHHH!! *SCREECH!*)

It could be true, of course, but you realize your arguments can also easily be explained by writing that's just a little off. Fraction is quite capable of that. And I do believe Carey is deliberately ignoring some elements of the past because it can't all work together.

I don't see them having him turn. Not to say he won't do something that pisses everyone off at one point and they turn against each other, but it will genuinely be for the good of mankind. That qwerty diary thing could wind up explaining a lot. If they use it.
As far as all the people yelling, I think they are hoping a creator will hear them or something.

I thought Scott's 'no' was a little weird. If that's the case, then evict him from the island. It would've made far more sense to have him say something like "I'm sorry, I can't give you my trust. Not now. Not yet. Maybe never."

Btw, am I to see this issue taking place AFTER Necrosha? Is that the idea? It would pretty much have to be, right?

[jlmoor]

ah okay. Now that I think about it I would like Storm and Magneto become a permanent team where they work togehter and Storm starts defending Magneto from everyone even the Xmen, that might make everyone mad don't you think.

For the moment Scott seems to be defending the hell out of him. Other than that time Magneto tried to kill Storm in #150, I don't think they've gone head to head. And you know, if people held grudges over something as silly as that, nobody would get along. My son just read the MAggot origin story where Magneto butchers a group of horrible people that were taking over villaiges and killed Maggot's father. The moral was supposed to be 'killing is wrong even if they are bad people' but then a few years later we have Storm go back to Africa after the mutants are depowered and the little gangs have taken over villiages, and she pretty much wanted to do the same thing.

I used to read x men comics everytime one came out, but what really makes me mad and I'm still mad about it, is that they find what charles has done some things that they don't agree with and they kick him out. I say that they do not have a right to be mean to him, for all of the things that he has done for them over the years, example gave mutants a place they can hide from persecution. Once the comic came out where they were mean and rude to him was the issue that I stopped reading the xmen, though I did pick up the xmen issue where magneto was working alongside the Evolution guy.

Did you read Carey's books with Charles coming to terms with all that? Personally I think it was that Charles spent so much time telling them not to abuse their powers, then they find out that he has been manipulating them and abusing his powers 'for the greater good.' Which was always Magneto's schtick so I think they just felt betrayed. I am not a big Chuck fan, but I think Carey did a good job of working him through that in Legacy. Although to be honest, I'm not sure if they are going to bring him back into the fold. The only way I could see this done in a believable manner is if it turns out he was right about Magneto (although why he doesn't trust Magneto is a mystery after Legacy) and save the X-Men from him. Which I don't think/want to happen, but who knows.

[jlmoor]

Well, closer to it than I've ever seen him at least, hehe. And I don't hate what Carey's doing, I'm just starting to see that in the end it doesn't change my opinion of the whole idea of it. I can't shake the feeling of him being a cradle-robber who wants to recapture his youth, and her like a student flirting with her professor because she has daddy issues. Neither of them looks good in that.

However it does make them the most believeable relationship in the MU Maybe he knows he's gonna die at the end of 2nd coming and is just trying to go out with style.

And yes I realize that my disparity in age with my wife makes me at least partially a hypocrite. It's just too big a gap here, and they don't bridge it because Marvel has clearly decided, more than ever, to play Magneto like and old, old man. Which is frustrating because you could easily play it very differently.

Wolverine is like 100 and still gets more a$$ than Iron Man. It's all in the attitude. And Mann draws him younger than Land (well Land draws him young sometimes. Acutally I think he might have traced HHH for him in that one panel)

Yeah. I don't mind it much myself but I still can't really see it as a very good idea. Were they really thinking black people around america were now going to flock to Marvel comics because they married two black characters? Was that really the whole thing? Hard to fathom.

Wait, was that the foundation? I mean they had met before, they were both royalty in Africa, I thought that was where it was coming from. Yeah that logic is insulting.

Oh? I didn't know this theory was floating around, that it's not really him.

It's not. It's just meFrom the first time he showed up the constant smiling had me thinking 'hell no' but I conceded that it's probably just Land. I just want to know what Astra did with all the extra DNA and clone tech she had.
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Well, if they're going to do that again (Joseph, Xorneto) the boards will be aflame for the next 5 years...again. ("It WASN'T him!!! - "I WANT it to be him so therefore it WAAS!! AAAHHH!! *SCREECH!*)
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This time he'll be a good guy and all the anti-fans will be screaming see?!? It wasn't him! It's sad because I really used to like Morrison, but the uber crazed Morrison fans are turnign me off of him in a hurry. I actually used to enjoy his X-Men run, and I still do, but now I just keep picturing all the fans that were practically lighting themselves on fire when Marvel decided to retcon it.

It could be true, of course, but you realize your arguments can also easily be explained by writing that's just a little off. Fraction is quite capable of that. And I do believe Carey is deliberately ignoring some elements of the past because it can't all work together.

This is the more likely solution

I thought Scott's 'no' was a little weird. If that's the case, then evict him from the island. It would've made far more sense to have him say something like "I'm sorry, I can't give you my trust. Not now. Not yet. Maybe never."

Btw, am I to see this issue taking place AFTER Necrosha? Is that the idea? It would pretty much have to be, right?

I have not picked up #520, but I guess Scott actually showing that he has some level of distrust makes a lot more sense than #516, and that prompt was needed for Magneto to do something outrageous to prove his worth. AKA Kitty. Which will really just endear him to Peter more than anything. I still think that diary has to come into play. All of this could make sense if Magneto knows he NEEDS to be there and NEEDS then to trust him in order to get everyone into position to do whatever it is he needs to do.

[Kyle_Ion]

For the moment Scott seems to be defending the hell out of him. Other than that time Magneto tried to kill Storm in #150, I don't think they've gone head to head. And you know, if people held grudges over something as silly as that, nobody would get along. My son just read the MAggot origin story where Magneto butchers a group of horrible people that were taking over villaiges and killed Maggot's father. The moral was supposed to be 'killing is wrong even if they are bad people' but then a few years later we have Storm go back to Africa after the mutants are depowered and the little gangs have taken over villiages, and she pretty much wanted to do the same thing.




Did you read Carey's books with Charles coming to terms with all that? Personally I think it was that Charles spent so much time telling them not to abuse their powers, then they find out that he has been manipulating them and abusing his powers 'for the greater good.' Which was always Magneto's schtick so I think they just felt betrayed. I am not a big Chuck fan, but I think Carey did a good job of working him through that in Legacy. Although to be honest, I'm not sure if they are going to bring him back into the fold. The only way I could see this done in a believable manner is if it turns out he was right about Magneto (although why he doesn't trust Magneto is a mystery after Legacy) and save the X-Men from him. Which I don't think/want to happen, but who knows.

thanks for this info. I used to read and collect alot of comics until a few problems

Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Green Lantern, X Men

Fantastic Four- Reed Richards should pay for what he did do Thor and the whole idea of the prison in the other realm. Iron Man - Stopped Reading Iron Man after Civil War, I'm still of the opinion that he should apologize to everyone and mean it and should pay for the prison in the other realm and for what he did to thor. Green Lantern- Stopped reading when they got rid of Kyle from being the main green lantern, and had Hal Jordan become the main.
X-Men- The whole charles xavier problem

[jlmoor]

thanks for this info. I used to read and collect alot of comics until a few problems

Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Green Lantern, X Men

Fantastic Four- Reed Richards should pay for what he did do Thor and the whole idea of the prison in the other realm. Iron Man - Stopped Reading Iron Man after Civil War, I'm still of the opinion that he should apologize to everyone and mean it and should pay for the prison in the other realm and for what he did to thor. Green Lantern- Stopped reading when they got rid of Kyle from being the main green lantern, and had Hal Jordan become the main.
X-Men- The whole charles xavier problem

Anything in particular bringing you back into the fold? Or are you still on a comic enbargo? I think Tony is not having a very good time right now, but I'm lightyears behind on Iron Man. Charles is still pretty much treated like a douche in the x-books though

[Blaqueneto]

Yeah but that's the thing, isn't it? A lot of those inconsistencies could indeed be explained away with a little effort. (Maybe he wanted to save his energies before he started so he made the trip walking.) But Fraction almost never makes that effort. And so Magneto's power levels still change per page...

It's weird to see Magneto fly in one page, then use a cane in the next. That should've been handled much better. I do like the idea of him rescuing Kitty though, even though he's weak. This wouldn't be the first time he's displayed incredible power when weakened, and it's going to take him days to pull it off.

I thought Scott's 'no' was a little weird. If that's the case, then evict him from the island. It would've made far more sense to have him say something like "I'm sorry, I can't give you my trust. Not now. Not yet. Maybe never."

Given that he was pissed at Magneto, I can understand him just shutting him down with a "no". On the other hand, he welcomes Magneto to the island, and straight away tells him all about Hope. And now when Magneto solves the sinking problem, he doesn't trust him anymore?

[jlmoor]

It's weird to see Magneto fly in one page, then use a cane in the next. That should've been handled much better. I do like the idea of him rescuing Kitty though, even though he's weak. This wouldn't be the first time he's displayed incredible power when weakened, and it's going to take him days to pull it off.

Given that he was pissed at Magneto, I can understand him just shutting him down with a "no". On the other hand, he welcomes Magneto to the island, and straight away tells him all about Hope. And now when Magneto solves the sinking problem, he doesn't trust him anymore?

Scott has trust issues So dating Emma was a smashing idea.

[coveredinbees]

I think this will piss the Storm fans off a hell of a lot more than anyone here

Personally I am all for this.

No offence to BP who is a stand up guy and all.

They liked it when I posted in the old one.