Marc Webb/Andrew Garfield's 2012 Spider-Man movie megathread

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

So it seems that spoilers:

the wrestling thing does indeed happen, and it looks like the robbery will take place at the Parker home. Also the Stan Lee cameo looks great.

end of spoilers

That handles two more of the story quibbles that readers were making a fuss over. It sure sounds like Webb has more respect for the readers than they originally thought.

[Kevinroc]

The fact that Mary Jane is the most famous love interest is known, just saying it again is meaningless. Gwen's ability to become as famous shouldn't be understated, however. The Dark Knight redefined what people expect from the Joker, just as TDKR and Year One redefined what people expected from Batman. Comic Books are super niche. Public Perception can be shifted with one powerful adaptation. I don't know if ASM is that adaptation. And as I suspect (as you do) that they're goign to kill Gwen and introduce Mary Jane in the second movie, I don't think this movie will do that. But again, you merely state the most likely outcome, not the only outcome.

You have people in this thread who really seem to believe the movie is going to be incredibly successful and Marvel will realize the error of their ways and revive Gwen immediately and pair her up with Peter again.

That is the least likely scenario.

I don't see a point in advocating a line of thought that runs opposite to the "they want the audience to love Gwen before they kill her" scenario as we both know it is far and away the most likely scenario.

And he's basically irrelevent in those stories too. Even when Peter and him LIVED together he was barely seen (something Harry makes note of during Conway's run). Harry's always been there, but his significance is usually overstated.

You could remove Felicia from continuity and it wouldn't have all that much impact. You can't remove Harry from continuity without major problems.

Your statement was that none of his love interest have ever been his best friend, which is what I'm talking about in re: Betty and Gwen. not their current status, thri status when they were his love interest (I mean, hell, Betty was essentially his ONLY friend while they were dating).

The Peter and Betty relationship, particularly in the early days, was very strange. But Ditko wasn't a romance artist. That was Romita's bag. Inevitably, if someone were to try Peter and Betty again, it would be much different. (Although that we had a Peter/Betty thing after Betty married Ned... Uumm... Yeah...)

As far as Gwen, she was essentially a silver age love interest.

The point is that I can be unfairly reductive just as easily.

Yeah, but it doesn't really work with the whole "Punisher" thing.

That handles two more of the story quibbles that readers were making a fuss over. It sure sounds like Webb has more respect for the readers than they originally thought.

More evidence that Gwen is going to die?

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Yet another clip.

[KurtW95]

Yet another clip.

Great. I saw some of that in the other videos.

[wyokid]

Yet another clip.

That legitimately made me want to cry. They've turned him into such an asshole. I get that it's Flash, but have you ever been hit with a basketball? It hurts. Then to have him pretend like he's gonna chuck it at his face? What the hell? The worst though was him charging at Flash. This film is gonna upset me more then Transformers 2.

[KurtW95]

More evidence that Gwen is going to die?

No. George may die, but Gwen won't.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

That legitimately made me want to cry. They've turned him into such an asshole. I get that it's Flash, but have you ever been hit with a basketball? It hurts. Then to have him pretend like he's gonna chuck it at his face? What the hell? The worst though was him charging at Flash. This film is gonna upset me more then Transformers 2.

Then hit them where it hurts and...ignore it. It'll go away faster that way.

[KurtW95]

That legitimately made me want to cry. They've turned him into such an asshole.

Says the guy who likes the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

[Kevinroc]

No. George may die, but Gwen won't.

George will die in the first one. And then Gwen will die in the sequel. The Stacys don't survive around Spider-Man. (That's why Jill and Paul and Arthur got the hell out of dodge!)

[stillanerd]

I didn't think I could get any more hyped for this movie.

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So it seems that spoilers:

the wrestling thing does indeed happen, and it looks like the robbery will take place at the Parker home. Also the Stan Lee cameo looks great.

end of spoilers

That handles two more of the story quibbles that readers were making a fuss over. It sure sounds like Webb has more respect for the readers than they originally thought.

Actually, it seems very easy to piece together that spoilers:

after Peter gets chased by the thugs, her falls into a skylight which just so happens to be over a wrestling ring, which is empty. And the poster of the luchadore he sees is obviously going to be the inspiration for Peter's Spider-Man costume. Other than that, there is NO wrestling scene.

end of spoilers

Also, and maybe this is just me, but I don't see any indications of the B-roll footage of spoilers:

Uncle Ben being killed during of home burglary like in the comics.

end of spoilers Especially in light of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmp2bKXvrs

That legitimately made me want to cry. They've turned him into such an asshole. I get that it's Flash, but have you ever been hit with a basketball? It hurts. Then to have him pretend like he's gonna chuck it at his face? What the hell? The worst though was him charging at Flash. This film is gonna upset me more then Transformers 2.

To be fair, it's more than likely taking place before Uncle Ben gets killed, thus explaining why Peter is acting so cocky in that clip. However, it's another one of those scenes which makes me go "Good grief, Pete. Are you purposefully trying to expose your secret identity?"

[wyokid]

Says the guy who likes the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

Yeah, most assholish thing he's done is lock Flash in a locker, which didn't really sit right with me either, but it was only one thing.

To be fair, it's more than likely taking place before Uncle Ben gets killed, thus explaining why Peter is acting so cocky in that clip. However, it's another one of those scenes which makes me go "Good grief, Pete. Can you purposefully trying to expose your secret identity?"

The powers part isn't what bothers me, what bothers me is him making it look like he's gonna chuck the ball at Flash's face, him bouncing the ball off of Flash's back, and shoving Flash to the ground. I don't know if you've ever bee hti by a basketball, but that shit hurts.

[stillanerd]

The powers part isn't what bothers me, what bothers me is him making it look like he's gonna chuck the ball at Flash's face, him bouncing the ball off of Flash's back, and shoving Flash to the ground. I don't know if you've ever bee hti by a basketball, but that shit hurts.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I too, agree, that Peter--the way Andrew Garfield is playing him in this scene--comes off looking like a total douchebag. Yes, yes, I know that, in the context of the scene, Peter is getting a rush from having these new powers is and using this opportunity to extract a little petty payback on Flash while also humiliating him the process, and I'm sure the film is making the point that Peter is ironically becoming just as much of bully with these new powers before Uncle Ben's death gives him some much needed humility. That being said, given this clip and the "carjacker" scene, it's really seems to be making Peter too much of an asshole to point where I fear the audience is going to lose a lot of sympathy for him and the film may not generate back even after Uncle Ben gets killed.

[wyokid]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I too, agree, that Peter--the way Andrew Garfield is playing him in this scene--comes off looking like a total douchebag. Yes, yes, I know that, in the context of the scene, Peter is getting a rush from having these new powers is using the opportunity to extract a little petty payback on Flash while also humiliating him the process, and I'm sure the film is making the point that Peter is ironically becoming just as much of bully with these new powers before Uncle Ben's death gives him some much needed humility. That being said, given this clip and the "carjacker" scene, it's really seems to be making Peter too much of an asshole to point where I fear the audience is going to loose a lot of sympathy for him and the film may not generate back even after Uncle Ben gets killed.

The only way I see it working is if Uncle Ben is lovable (which if the comic shows is that he's not really), but even then the audience is feeling bad for Uncle Ben and not Peter. Which is bad.

[Zauri]

The only way I see it working is if Uncle Ben is lovable (which if the comic shows is that he's not really), but even then the audience is feeling bad for Uncle Ben and not Peter. Which is bad.

Miles Morales biggest fan, here's the deal:

Both in Stan Lee's and Bendis versions, after he gets the powers he does act like a douchebag. Don't you remember the way he broke Flash hand in Ultimate Spider-Man? This is more Peter Parker than anything I've ever seen live action, and I know that you are actively campaigning against this film all the way you can, but it's worthless and you'll see soon enough. Now go back to gush over how cool Miles Morales is and how brilliant Jeph Loeb's Ultimates are.

[Zauri]

My point is, Peter has a good heart and is a good kid, but he is flawed. And that's what makes him so relatable. People don't need to pity him like Miles Morales is being build, and that's why Miles will never be as good as Peter. He isn't perfect. When he gets the powers, he gets drunk with it, and things get bad. This is classical Spider-Man behavior right here.