❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈ Does anyone think that the X Men is kinda ageist?❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈

[chakal]

Well I guess that in 2050, Cyclops will still be in his mid-forties. In big two, no one ever ages.

[jarrod]

'only 33'?? Scott is old, I don't want to read about old (Betsy excluded) people. Keep the mutants eternally young and attractive.

I am totally fine with not reading about Cyclops anymore. :)

X-Cougarz 4 lyfe tho. That's basically what UXF 2.0 is. XXM 2.0 too sorta. <3<3

[Yogaflame]

Going by the official sliding timescale, the X-Men were formed over 15 years ago and even Iceman should be over 30. DPS itself was almost 10 years ago in canon.

The Fantastic Four's flight is still held to be 13 years ago, with the Avengers forming a little later and the X-Men even later, so their entire history only gets to span 10-12 years.

[jarrod]

The Fantastic Four's flight is still held to be 13 years ago, with the Avengers forming a little later and the X-Men even later, so their entire history only gets to span 10-12 years.

Breevort said that recently (2010) yes, but the math fluctuates. I used 3.25:1 instead of 3.75:1, if we went with the latter the FF were then formed 13.6 years ago, the X-Men 13 years ago.

When Carey started his Rogue Legacy run, he established that Rogue had joined the X-Men 8 years prior which gels with 3.25 though. Most of Claremonts reestablished ages from the 80s gel with that too so it's what I tend to go with (Prefessors Claremont+Carey >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brevtrooll).

[Seresecros]

Old people were responsible for wars and genocide and recessions and slavery and shit. BOOOOOOOO

[Valeria Kementari]

Old people were responsible for wars and genocide and recessions and slavery and shit. BOOOOOOOO

most of them were young when they did those things

[jarrod]

Old people murdered Professor X and force the Bore 5 on us again. ;_;

[Seresecros]

most of them were young when they did those things

They were still old, on account of being alive before I was born. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO old people, BOOOO

[Yogaflame]

Breevort said that recently (2010) yes, but the math fluctuates. I used 3.25:1 instead of 3.75:1, if we went with the latter the FF were then formed 13.6 years ago, the X-Men 13 years ago.

When Carey started his Rogue Legacy run, he established that Rogue had joined the X-Men 8 years prior which gels with 3.25 though. Most of Claremonts reestablished ages from the 80s gel with that too so it's what I tend to go with (Prefessors Claremont+Carey >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brevtrooll).

It will never be 100% conclusive, as every writer, editor and reader will have their own interpretation of conflicting evidence. I guess in the end, its not so much a matter of being ageist, but rather timeist. Time does not move consistently. You could have a 12 issue epic that takes a whole year to publish/run, but the story itself is only a matter of hours/days. Count up how many "six months later" and Christmases and birthday issues there have been and it just all falls apart.

[Yogaflame]

Personally, I break it down into eras that have their own, unique time-speed:

O5 era is like high school, 1963-1975, taking 4 years in story.

Golden age Claremont is like 4 years of college;
GSXM-Dark Phoenix is epic freshman year, sophomore year ends with Rogue joining/Mohawk Storm, junior year ends with Fall of the Mutants, and senior year ends with Muir Island Saga.

Lobdell era/90's is 2 years of Grad school, ending with Eve of Destruction.

Morrison/X-Treme era is post graduate studies, Decimation-Utopia is a failed field study.

For the sake of this example, consider Iceman to be a freshman of 15 in 1963, and he's finally got his first grown up job now at the JGS at age 27/28.

[Ingonyama]

Personally, I break it down into eras that have their own, unique time-speed:

O5 era is like high school, 1963-1975, taking 4 years in story.

Golden age Claremont is like 4 years of college;
GSXM-Dark Phoenix is epic freshman year, sophomore year ends with Rogue joining/Mohawk Storm, junior year ends with Fall of the Mutants, and senior year ends with Muir Island Saga.

Lobdell era/90's is 2 years of Grad school, ending with Eve of Destruction.

Morrison/X-Treme era is post graduate studies, Decimation-Utopia is a failed field study.

For the sake of this example, consider Iceman to be a freshman of 15 in 1963, and he's finally got his first grown up job now at the JGS at age 27/28.

Nice breakdown. I like the analogy.

[jarrod]

It will never be 100% conclusive, as every writer, editor and reader will have their own interpretation of conflicting evidence. I guess in the end, its not so much a matter of being ageist, but rather timeist. Time does not move consistently. You could have a 12 issue epic that takes a whole year to publish/run, but the story itself is only a matter of hours/days. Count up how many "six months later" and Christmases and birthday issues there have been and it just all falls apart.

Well yes, it's more fluid and up to interpretation. But we can still estimate generalities and make conclusions about things that are obviously incorrect (ie: Dazzler in her mid/late 20s via Pak).

I think Bobby generally being on the cusp of 30 works, both for the character and the relative timeline. You'd then have characters like Scott, Hank, Ororo, Ali and Sage in their early 30s, characters like Alex, Lorna in their late 20s, Pitor, Rogue, Madrox and Shan in their mid 20s, Sam, Dani, Kitty, Rachel, Pagie, etc in their early 20s, Betsy and Brian in their mid 30s, Emma in her 50s, Cable I give up and Jubilee is forever 17. :D

[Yogaflame]

I agree with your relative ages!

[airdreams]

Lol, I'm not sure whether you are trolling or not but no, Emma is of course not in her 50s. I know Dark Beast had landed 20 years in the past 616 and some time after this he met 16-year-old Emma – but it's never been confirmed how many years after his arrival to meet her.

But fortunately, we have another reference, Banshee, who was a NYPD detective at that time. He's supposedly a decade older than most of the X-Men and Emma was 16 years old, so he was around 26 – a reasonable age to be a detective (I personally can't imagine a 20-year-old boy can be a NYPD officer). Makes sense.

And in Generation X #31 letter column, the writer confirmed that the flashback story in Gen X #-1 took place roughly 10 years ago Marvel time and Emma was right round thirty. In Gen X #34 letter column she's said to be "between 25 and 30".

[Yogaflame]

Emma was clearly not the same age or younger than Scott, Jean and Ororo in the Phoenix saga, and even calls Wolverine a 'young person' when she first meets him, so its pretty clear Claremont intended her as a peer of Xavier's in terms of age.

That more modern writers choose to tell other stories is their own prerogative, and readers are free to interpret accordingly.