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    Quote Originally Posted by just another user View Post
    Surely there must be something more you can say?

    I'm not going to pick this up if it is only Daken making creepy faces.
    Well read the post adter mine and you get all the info you want.
    Who would want to pick up a book, if he already knows what's gonna happen?! That's stupid and I hate spoilers, so I don't give them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamradioactive View Post
    I agree, that expression was creepy as hell.

    This issue was a bit of a letdown for me. I was imaginging Karla seeing something she wasn't supposed to, rather than Daken randomly alienating her for no apparent reason. What possible motive could Daken have to drive away her like that? Was that him freaking out about her following him? Why try so hard to warm her up to him if he was just going to panic when she started to pursue him? I mean... he bought her porn for godssakes. Plenty of women are going to think you want more than chemistry, smiles and flirtation if you randomly make them a gift of porn.

    Sure, technically that was stalking, but still I'd have thought Daken capable of handling himself with more aplomb. She's an amoral, superpowered psychiatrist, of course when she pursues a crush who's a mystery it's going to be more intense than your average normal woman's pursuit of your average normal guy. I'd have thought if he's capable of manipulating Reed Richards he could string Karla along way better than this. Did he simply decide he won't be needing her as an ally or for a part to play in his future plans? Seems like a hasty decision given he doesn't know what's coming. Daken really has no sense of finesse sometimes, or much less than I give him credit for I guess. Or maybe I'm not giving him enough?

    I never thought I would think/say something this insane, but at the end of the book, I thought, "Good choice going with Lester, Karla, he's a lot nicer." OMGWTFLOLBBQ.
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    Because he is a guy who loves playing others and doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself at the same time.
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    All filler. Not plot progression. Boring issue.

    But DAMN did Moonstone look hot on the cover. The cover that had nothing to do with the plotless story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamradioactive View Post
    I agree, that expression was creepy as hell.

    What possible motive could Daken have to drive away her like that? Was that him freaking out about her following him? Why try so hard to warm her up to him if he was just going to panic when she started to pursue him? I mean... he bought her porn for godssakes. Plenty of women are going to think you want more than chemistry, smiles and flirtation if you randomly make them a gift of porn.

    Sure, technically that was stalking, but still I'd have thought Daken capable of handling himself with more aplomb.
    I think he was just manipulating her for fun and snapped when she ruined his private time. Also, I don't think Daken's quite as in control as he likes to think he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronMagnus View Post
    Meh. Karla Sofen killed her own mother, along with numerous other people. And it's been suggested that she slept with Bullseye. Bullseye! Sorry, but I don't see her being creeped out by Daken at all. Once again we get a watered-down Moonstone portrayal.
    I don't think she was creeped out by the fact he's killed a little old lady. I think she was creeped out because she thought they might of had some chemistry, that she almost believed his lie.

    She was able to track him down, which is something even Wolverine hasn't been able to do.

    Not so bad, imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamradioactive View Post
    I agree, that expression was creepy as hell.

    This issue was a bit of a letdown for me. I was imaginging Karla seeing something she wasn't supposed to, rather than Daken randomly alienating her for no apparent reason. What possible motive could Daken have to drive away her like that? Was that him freaking out about her following him? Why try so hard to warm her up to him if he was just going to panic when she started to pursue him? I mean... he bought her porn for godssakes. Plenty of women are going to think you want more than chemistry, smiles and flirtation if you randomly make them a gift of porn.
    I think he's realized that he's not going to be able to screw with her with the same ease as does with his other team mates. I'm also guessing he's not use to people being able to find him and is very unhappy she was able to.

    Sure, technically that was stalking, but still I'd have thought Daken capable of handling himself with more aplomb. She's an amoral, superpowered psychiatrist, of course when she pursues a crush who's a mystery it's going to be more intense than your average normal woman's pursuit of your average normal guy. I'd have thought if he's capable of manipulating Reed Richards he could string Karla along way better than this. Did he simply decide he won't be needing her as an ally or for a part to play in his future plans? Seems like a hasty decision given he doesn't know what's coming. Daken really has no sense of finesse sometimes, or much less than I give him credit for I guess. Or maybe I'm not giving him enough?

    I never thought I would think/say something this insane, but at the end of the book, I thought, "Good choice going with Lester, Karla, he's a lot nicer." OMGWTFLOLBBQ.
    lol at the Lester observation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arachne View Post
    I think he was just manipulating her for fun and snapped when she ruined his private time. Also, I don't think Daken's quite as in control as he likes to think he is.
    That's how I interpreted it, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    No, actually, Art did the whole thing. A waste of his talents to just have Rachel chewing down a Big Mac, and all, but it was Adams' great stuff.
    Whatevs. That scene was a classic, just ask Chris Yost. Fugliest Hat Ever.

    And Ray was a minor herself still at that point. Don't let the boobs and bondage gear fool you like they did Alistaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrod View Post
    Whatevs. That scene was a classic, just ask Chris Yost. Fugliest Hat Ever.

    And Ray was a minor herself still at that point. Don't let the boobs and bondage gear fool you like they did Alistaire.
    So... it's alright for a teenager to molest a four year old? Come on jarrod, that was still effed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    So... it's alright for a teenager to molest a four year old? Come on jarrod, that was still effed up.
    Frankie raped her. With his imagination. The kid's not right.

    And all this after (a very adult) Franklin Richards had his way with (a very fucked up teenage) Rachel on Earth 811. If there was any malice in Ray's heart/cunt, it was justified crosstime revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarrod View Post
    Frankie raped her. With his imagination. The kid's not right.

    And all this after (a very adult) Franklin Richards had his way with (a very fucked up teenage) Rachel on Earth 811. If there was any malice in Ray's heart/cunt, it was justified crosstime revenge.
    A whole other crosstime caper, indeed.

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    This felt more like an issue for Karla more then Daken...not that I'm complaining. I've got a new fondness for her that I never had before this issue.

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    The art was great, and the characterization was awesome as always. Liu does a great job with this book.

    It just felt like filler until next month's Siege. Either way it's better we got this, than last arc being extended an extra issue.

    I really can't wait to see what direction this title (Daken) takes after Dark Reign concludes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by q.u.e.e.n. View Post
    This felt more like an issue for Karla more then Daken...not that I'm complaining. I've got a new fondness for her that I never had before this issue.
    Same here.

    I hope we see more of them interacting or even just more of Liu's Karla. (I've seen to much of Way's treatment of female characters to believe he had much input on her character here.)

    I'm really glad they didn't just have them jump in bed together for no reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by CmX View Post
    The art was great, and the characterization was awesome as always. Liu does a great job with this book.

    It just felt like filler until next month's Siege. Either way it's better we got this, than last arc being extended an extra issue.

    I really can't wait to see what direction this title (Daken) takes after Dark Reign concludes.
    I'm hoping that whatever direction they take him in, he remains a manipulative bastard.

    Unclear art aside, I really liked the awfulness of the second arc's ending. If he goes on a path of redemption, or something to that effect, we probably won't have so many moments like that. While I'm sure others might be okay with that, I'm not really in favor of it.

    Still, as long as the title continues and Liu stays on board, I think I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    I'll add a bit of a summary and review, since folks might want one in a thread that promises one.


    Daken heads out to a N.Y. Japanese restaurant. Ms. Marvel follows, curious about who exactly her mysterious teammate is. Daken, through a great deal of sexual tension, tells her he prefers the tea, since it reminds him of an assassination he was sent on in Japan

    His target was an old blind woman who was preparing some. She invited him in, shared in the tea, and told Daken she knew he was there to kill her, but didn't mind. She didn't fear death, because it was something she didn't know, anyway. Daken left her alive.

    Upon sipping her own tea, and listening, compelled by Daken, Karla suddenly realizes he's lied to her the whole time, that he killed the woman in his story savagely, and was just playing games with her mind. Daken only comes to that restaurant... to be alone. And now he'll go somewhere else instead.


    Liu and Way earn big points for a heavy character issue, that may sadly break the hearts of Karla/Daken shippers, but nonetheless, it's a poignant moment for both. Camuncoli's art does capture a lot of the sexual tension, and the moment the OP is referring to, where Moonstone pierces through his lies, is expertly done by the pencils.

    Nice read. Enjoyed it.
    But what did we learn? Did we find out any more about Dakens true intentions in the Dark Avengers? Do we know Dakens character any more closely than we did before #81was started? I thought the story went round and round in circles and said nothing. Karla thought she was this bigtime psychologist, who used her training to get at the bottom of a persons intentions. She had it all worked out and persued Daken like any other patient. But in the end, Daken defeated her in a face to face tea drinking contest, so that Karla abandoned her preconceptions about human bahaviour. But what about Daken? Way and Lui said nothing more than what we knew already - nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Big G View Post
    I shipped Karla/Daken and i admit i was dissapointed. But it was a good issue none the less. Karla was sad, Daken was his usual magnificent bastard self.
    I can say that the build-up to Karla and Dakens meeting, were a few flash past panels where Karla is going to the rendevue, and Karla, as Ms Marvel ignores a string of vilent incidents going on all at the same time, A jumper, domestic violence, children cowering in fear, a woman being mugged. None of these Karla is interested in Avenging. You even see a girl look at Karlas bare butt as Ms Marvel flies by, and this girl looks on in lust. All the while Karla is giving this lecture on the hidden traits and walls we put up to hide ourselves away and only reveal ourselves if we have realtionships with others. When we lock ourselves away and don't talk and encounter, we live in a deluded image of ourselves. This was a charming little essay that portrayed that you can't fix things with super heroes.

    Another endearing thing about this book, was it was about two villains. This was not a super hero book by any means. Here were two people who felt nothing for each other, and were trying to manipulate each other in a game of emotional chess. The Brandon Peterson cover was amazing, showing Daken with claws beared, and Karla with power blazing from her hand, both ready to cut each other in half, while holding each other tenderly. You couldn't make this work with Carol Danvers and Logan, like it does as a villain book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave H View Post
    I thought it was alleged that she killed her own mother.
    I read that issue of Ms. Marvel as her just messing with that guy to rattle him so she could get the upper hand. Was it confirmed elsewhere?

    I don't see how her shagging Bullseye makes her immune to getting creeped out by a highly manipulative sociopath she can't get a read on.
    Bullseye's pretty much a one-note killer, there's no real mystery there.
    Actually, I'm creeped out that Karla got naked and let Bullseye screw her. That guy could have killed her in an instant and not batted an eye, so how can she make herself so vulnerable to a known killer? Is it because she thought Bullseye couldn't face Osborn, after he killed Karla? I doubt Bulls would care what Osborn thought or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamradioactive View Post
    I agree, that expression was creepy as hell.

    This issue was a bit of a letdown for me. I was imaginging Karla seeing something she wasn't supposed to, rather than Daken randomly alienating her for no apparent reason. What possible motive could Daken have to drive away her like that? Was that him freaking out about her following him? Why try so hard to warm her up to him if he was just going to panic when she started to pursue him? I mean... he bought her porn for godssakes. Plenty of women are going to think you want more than chemistry, smiles and flirtation if you randomly make them a gift of porn.

    Sure, technically that was stalking, but still I'd have thought Daken capable of handling himself with more aplomb. She's an amoral, superpowered psychiatrist, of course when she pursues a crush who's a mystery it's going to be more intense than your average normal woman's pursuit of your average normal guy. I'd have thought if he's capable of manipulating Reed Richards he could string Karla along way better than this. Did he simply decide he won't be needing her as an ally or for a part to play in his future plans? Seems like a hasty decision given he doesn't know what's coming. Daken really has no sense of finesse sometimes, or much less than I give him credit for I guess. Or maybe I'm not giving him enough?

    I never thought I would think/say something this insane, but at the end of the book, I thought, "Good choice going with Lester, Karla, he's a lot nicer." OMGWTFLOLBBQ.
    I could come to the conclusion that Daken is definately gay. He ran away because he didn't want to be dunking his pleasure piece in a female.

    Quote Originally Posted by Waterlily View Post

    I'm hoping that whatever direction they take him in, he remains a manipulative bastard.

    Unclear art aside, I really liked the awfulness of the second arc's ending. If he goes on a path of redemption, or something to that effect, we probably won't have so many moments like that. While I'm sure others might be okay with that, I'm not really in favor of it.

    Still, as long as the title continues and Liu stays on board, I think I'll be happy.
    I don't know how Daken can be redeemed. His story with the FF was was curious because he showed a touch of negotiation, and he didn't kill anyone. But in this book, Daken remains the dirt bag, who is uncontrollable, and whose behaviour is unexpected. That to me is a stone cold killer, with no redeemable features.
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    I think he's going to get Scrooged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterlily View Post
    Same here.

    I hope we see more of them interacting or even just more of Liu's Karla. (I've seen to much of Way's treatment of female characters to believe he had much input on her character here.)

    I'm really glad they didn't just have them jump in bed together for no reason.



    I'm hoping that whatever direction they take him in, he remains a manipulative bastard.

    Unclear art aside, I really liked the awfulness of the second arc's ending. If he goes on a path of redemption, or something to that effect, we probably won't have so many moments like that. While I'm sure others might be okay with that, I'm not really in favor of it.

    Still, as long as the title continues and Liu stays on board, I think I'll be happy.
    I agree. I don't want to see a change in her character either. I'm on as long as Liu is.

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