CBR: Cup O' Joe - Nov 27, 2009

[CBR News]

In part-two of CBR's holiday weekend Q&A, Marvel E-i-C Joe Quesada digs into what event fatigue means to him, says a single word devised to flip Spider-Man fans out and explains why Marvel won't try to capitalize on the "Twilight" phenomenon.


Full article here.

[Matt Spatola]

Ok, he says 'baby' and 'Mary Jane'. I think he's just messing with us here. There is no way that the people who worked so hard to undo the marriage would throw a baby into the mix. I don't think they will be mentioning Pete and MJ's dead baby nor would they want to have an unwed Peter be a father. Remember being married and a father makes the character 'too old'.

My only guess would be that while MJ was away she had a baby with someone else. Why does Joe Q hate MJ?

[Somebody]

Ok, he says 'baby' and 'Mary Jane'. I think he's just messing with us here. There is no way that the people who worked so hard to undo the marriage would throw a baby into the mix. I don't think they will be mentioning Pete and MJ's dead baby nor would they want to have an unwed Peter be a father. Remember being married and a father makes the character 'too old'.

My only guess would be that while MJ was away she had a baby with someone else. Why does Joe Q hate MJ?

Indeed. It certainly seems a lot more likely than Quesada undoing OMD.

[And that's the point Joe - we don't trust you any more. You throw out silly little hints, and we either don't care or recoil in a "well, I'm not reading that" way. And not in the "go on a rant" way that gets you PR - we Just. Don't. Care any more.]

[CMBMOOL]

Indeed. It certainly seems a lot more likely than Quesada undoing OMD.

[And that's the point Joe - we don't trust you any more. You throw out silly little hints, and we either don't care or recoil in a "well, I'm not reading that" way. And not in the "go on a rant" way that gets you PR - we Just. Don't. Care any more.]

That's the day Pigs fly.

[Supermutant2099]

In next few months you got Doomwar, Siege, Fall Of Hulks, Assult On Olympus all going on at the same time. Event fatigue? How about empty wallets! I don't what have more fatigue from events are Joe q and people at marvel steaming rolling over everything at marvel. Yeah I agree on the baby thing. That how low things are with marvel. They don't mind not just driving that knife in the back of fans, characters, all the hard everyone came before them but to throw in salt into wound.

[Vic De Zen]

I'm really happy to hear Quesada is taking this whole event fatique seriously because I do think it's a real concern. People may not see it now being in the midst of all these stories, but the problem is there.

[Sanity or Madness?]

In next few months you got Doomwar, Siege, Fall Of Hulks, Assult On Olympus all going on at the same time. Event fatigue? How about empty wallets! I don't what have more fatigue from events are Joe q and people at marvel steaming rolling over everything at marvel. Yeah I agree on the baby thing. That how low things are with marvel. They don't mind not just driving that knife in the back of fans, characters, all the hard everyone came before them but to throw in salt into wound.

Assault on New Olympus is just an Incredible Herc arc - the one-shot was just #137.5. Similarly, DoomWar is just a Black Panther arc disguised as a miniseries because BP is tanking again.

You'd have been better mentioning Realm of Kings and X-Men: Second Coming to go with Siege and Fall of/World War Hulks.

[Supermutant2099]

Those are mini events but still events. I almost forget the current X-Men mini crossover (I forget the name)

[Sanity or Madness?]

Those are mini events but still events.

One series does not an event make. Siege, FOTH, ROK, X:2C... these are going across four+ series a month. A mini or an arc are just that.

I almost forget the current X-Men mini crossover (I forget the name)

You mean THE ONE I NAMED in my last post?

[Comicbookfan]

Great coup o' Joe. I like his answer to the Event fatigue question. But i have to say sometimes the fatigue is a self inflicted wound by fans. I don't know if i am the only one who has seen this but there are some fans who hate everything(WHAAT?). And they will just buy things to hate them then complain about the thing they never wanted in the first place, because its not what they wanted. Or they hate the hype or they hate the creator(I've been guilty of this myself). But I see sometimes that fans just hate a story before its published and no matter what the publisher dose they just don't learn, if you don't like it don't buy it.

On the Event themselves I for one have become more and more selective. I know i stopped buying X-Men in the 90s because the crossovers just drowned me and i just gave up trying to keep up with it all. The events now have gotten better at making it easy on the wallet to keep up, House of M and Identity Crisis where great with this and are by far the best two events of the last ten years. I do hate all the tie ins but now you don't need to buy them the story is right there in one book so thats been the best part of the new events.

On the down side the one thing that's been the hardest to keep up has been the quality and one thing Joe said its been the Shock. Most events just fade away in a couple of months (especially at DC) the end comes if no one likes it they just act like it didn't happened and move on to the next event. Plus the BIG DEATHS mean jack squat and it seems that's what most events build their story around now. KILL as many people to create a false sense of dread then you know bring them back to please the fans who are outraged. It rings false and just turns me off to the rest of the event and the line.

[Sighphi]

Space Marvel now is the definition of event fatigue.
Ever since Conquest it has been nothing but duds.

[bandoogiemanz]

Space Marvel now is the definition of event fatigue.
Ever since Conquest it has been nothing but duds.

I hear ya. I wasn't overly impressed with War of Kings, and I think I'm going to skip out on buying Realm of Kings. That said, I will be sticking with Guardians and Nova, two of the better books Marvel currently has on the stands.

[Supermutant2099]

Not second coming but the one in New Mutants and X-Force. Second coming hasn't started yet.
And on complaining I didn't use to complain but there is a point where you get fustrated by the way they treat characters. Point where I can take the screwing up or killing and bringing back or de powering/repowering or undoing of stuff. I'm just tired of all of it. Whole Doctor Strange/Brother voodoo just another point of how dumb things are. Years ago I would never been worried about the fact the crap they will probably to do real She-Hulk but now there probably going to toss her away for twidle dumb and twidle dumber she-hulk. I don't buy Blackest Night or Dark Avengers or Amazing Spider-Man. I actually back up my words.
I agree I didn't like War Of Kings as much as the previous. Though I am buying Realm Of Kings but I figure it still better read then BN or Siege. Nova is one of best books marvel put but Guardians but bit iffy in recent issues.

[BlackLesbianJewishWoman]

Man, I usually don't appreciate the spin that Joe puts on some things, like the Marvel Divas thing and especially the whole price gouging deal, but I gotta say his answer to the "event fatigue" thing made me respect him a little more, especially how he cut the bs and owned up to the reality of events. I mean readers aren't stupid, we know event books will always sell more even if it's just a labeling and that it is the big two's primary sales tool, so why not just acknowledge that? But then again, to play Devil's Advocate, this could be a way to just hype up Siege as the last big Marvel event in a way, because if you notice he proposed Siege as the final solution to event fatigue. Pretty sneaky, sis.

[mikekerr3]

Ok, he says 'baby' and 'Mary Jane'. I think he's just messing with us here. There is no way that the people who worked so hard to undo the marriage would throw a baby into the mix. I don't think they will be mentioning Pete and MJ's dead baby nor would they want to have an unwed Peter be a father. Remember being married and a father makes the character 'too old'.

My only guess would be that while MJ was away she had a baby with someone else. Why does Joe Q hate MJ?

i wouldn't worry about it, what Joe says in interviews and what a happens in the book are often not connected in any way, even after the book is published.