Yes, it's my favorite
It's great, but there are a few other runs I like more
It's ok, but nowhere near the best
I don't like Bendis' Avengers.
Bendis: Oh so Mr Starlin and Mr Giffen made Thanos something other than just a bad guy? Pah that's terrible, I don't like it and I can't write a story featuring Thanos if he isn't just a bad guy.
What the hell is he doing writing comic books if that is his attitude? It's completely ignoring character development. It's not just a superficial change, like a costume design or something like that. And it isn't a natural change, there was no development... it's just BAM! Thanos is back to being a bad guy who wants unlimited power because a three dimensional Thanos doesn't fit Bendis' story. It really is nothing beyond that.
Thanos changing his mind, changing his goals, is a major piece of development for the character. But all that is thrown out on a whim simply because that development doesn't fit some guys story idea?
The simple fact of the matter is, it doesn't take much talent to just change a character to fit your story. Anyone of us could do that.
What takes talent, is taking into consideration previous characterisations and plot points and incorporating them into a new story. Whilst continuing to develop that character in a NATURAL way.
Last edited by Lord Bravery; 04-06-2011 at 05:00 AM.
All the complaining about continuity....remember when Stan Lee referred to Bruce Banner as "Bob Banner" in an issue of the Hulk? And no wonder that book got canceled after issue number 6. It was all over the place story-wise.
And it isn't as if Stan had any excuse - the Marvel Universe was only a few years old by that point. So I guess that means he stinks as a creator.
There are many reasons for why Brian Michael Bendis may or may not be a weak writer. Continuity, for me, isn't one of them - simply because it's only an issue if you allow it to be. Things change. Stories are fluid. Mistakes happen.
There are some really dumb story ideas (see: any story by Chuck Austen), but ultimately a shared universe is going to have hiccups.
It's not fluid though. Thanos went from a borderline anti hero who has zero interest in the Infinity Gems... back to a stereotypical bad guy who wants the gems, for LITERALLY no other reason than Bendis wanted to use Thanos as a bad guy.
That is poor story telling. It's not fluid, it's not natural. It's shit.
Same thing with the Infinity Gems not even working when they are together. All that was ignored. For LITERALLY no other reason than Bendis wanted to use them in his story.
That is poor story telling. It's not fluid. It's not natural. It's shit.
Anyone of us could just go "Oh well i don't like how that character has been portrayed previously, it doesn't fit the story i want to tell, so i'll just change the character".
Let's think in terms of a long running TV show or something, which has a lot of similarities to comics. Let's use Star Trek, for instance.
Captain Kirk has always been portrayed as a charismatic womanizer, but who has a heart of gold.
If i then came along and UNNATURALLY turned him into a boring dolt who is a bad guy, just to fit my story, that means i'm a poor story teller when it comes to the serial/ongoing continuity format.
That is basically what Bendis is doing. That is why he is a poor story teller in this format.
If he wants to change characters or contradict plot points just to fit his story? Write some MAX books or Elseworld stories. Or like what he did with Ultimate Spider-Man. He's basically doing what he did with Ultimate Spider-Man... but in the 616.
So...whose neck do I break first?
Agreed with everything Lord Bravery has been posting lately.
Logic > You
Look, when you are dealing with a universe that has an on going continuity, comics or a tv show, that is one big story. The whole thing is one big story, made up with other little story arcs.
Contradicting earlier parts of that story, whether it's plot points or characterisations, is bad story telling.
Now if Bendis actually used some skill and made it as though these changes were natural character progressions/developments, I wouldn't have a problem. Because that actually takes some imagination and talent.
Going... "POOF! That character is completely different now with absolutely zero explanation!" can be done by anyone. You, me... little Jonny down the street. It takes zero talent to do that.
Let me be clear, I think Bendis does sometimes come up with some great story concepts. But if you can't execute those stories without changing the bigger story that is happening (which is the ongoing continuity) then you have failed as a story teller in the serial/on going continuity format. It's that simple.
Oh, and I almost forgot this.
I really think his ideas for the most part are horribly executed. His use of the hood is retarded.
He goes from a local hoodlum to
1. having magic powers.
2. being a mob boss
3. getting powered up by norn stones
4. getting the infinity gauntlet
This guy is probably gonna be offed by bendis cus he used him up. And the fact this guy can get the infinity gauntlet without help is retarded. The whole plot about dormammu controlling him should have stayed in affect. That would make this more believable.
Hi, my name is Peter Parker and I make satanic pacts with demons. .I shall not buy Amazing Spider-Man until the marriage returns. Be a part of the movement.
Ok, flamer-boy, let's see...
Not the one who suggested Spencer. In fact, I cautioned against throwing someone, IMO, still largely untested to the sharks (as the previous poster so colorfully put it). Why my excessive caution, if I'm always trying to sell Bendis being replaced? Because a few years ago I was actually excited when a hot new talent called Bendis came in to replace Austen. Well, that didn't last much. (And I admit that, compared to Austen's run, Bendis's was a step up. However, considering how low my opinion on Austen's run is, that's not much of a compliment.) I'd rather have someone more proven, such as Kelly, Waid, PAD, Slott, Gage, etc... I know none of them is going to fit the 3 criterias. Hell, probably no one on Earth ever will or has. Bendis sure as hell isn't. However, when we are not satisfied with something, all we can do is change in the best way you can(unfortunately not up to me, I know), and hope for the best. If we can't dream, what's the point of living?
Second point. I agree that people in general like to root for the underdog, and try to cut down the guy who is on top. Especially here, in the internet, where anonimity gives people the balls to do what that they lack the courage to do in real life. Unfortunately, not one of those (in both counts. People who do know me point out being to outspoken and excessively frank as some of my personal flaws. Trying to work on this, and work extra hard not to get carried away in the internet. Not everything needs to be said.). I'm my own man. Never was the kind of guy to go along with fads. (Well, maybe never is to strong a word. I guess one or two. We are only human after all.) As with Strathcona, I had very little (if any) previous knowledge of Bendis' work before Avengers. Don't remember if I read his Ultimate before or after, and am pretty sure that what I read of his Daredevil run came afterwards. Liked both. Not so much his Avengers work, to put it mildly. As for an exemple that I don't follow the hive-mind in tearing down who is at the top, I'm probably one of the few that doesn't mind what Robinson is doing in JLA now. (Go to the DC forums and you will see that the outcry is very similar to what we have here, although I feel like he has less outspoken defenders than Bendis.) Is it his best work? No. His worse? Far from it. IMHO, it's just good enjoyable super-hero stories, bogged down by a loy of editorial interference. (But that is subject for a whole other post.)
As for Quesada's "joke" (if you want to call it that), I forgot to put my happy face at the end of my comment. I'm not that humorless.
Two last things, I've said it before, but I'm gonna have to side with Bendis supporters on the Thanos thing. We don't know yet what that was (since I'm no longer reading the books, you guys will have to fill me in next month). As another poster said. It was a cliffhanger. You don't explain things in the cliffhanger. As the word says, it's meant to leave people hanging. Nexta month, if he fumbles (as, IMHO, previous history has shown that there is a great chance of happening), then I will be beside you crying foul. Untill then, let's let it rest.
And Lord Bravery, ever since Avengers Disassmbled, I no longer consider that we are reading the adventures of Earth 616. As the demon pact that Peter Parker made proves, this is Earth 666. Maybe someday, we'll be able to go back.