The absolute WORST things in Wrestling...no one mentions !

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-10-2009, 01:04 PM

Since I'm in a wrestling mood and I'm more of a guy who loves the past than todays scene , this to me is a thread where we can discuss the absolute WORST things that WCW , AWA , WWE , NWA , ECW , and any other promotion or indy has done. But there are rules. It can't be one we all will know like "WWF Invasion 2001" or the Goobly Gooker ....since we all know them.

Anyhow to start....

1-) Steve McMichael : ex-NFL star DT , horrible annoucer.... 4 Horsemen member ? What the..

For those who don't know , Steve McMichael was a pretty solid Defensive Tackle for the Bears and Packers in his career. He had retired in 1992 or 1993 after a decent short career and Superbowl ring with the 85 Bears.

It was his next career that would open him up to mockery and laughter. At the time WCW was in the midst of taking it to Vince McMahon and was given 2 hours each Monday night on TNT , by Ted Turner's order to his TV guy. Bischoff scrambled to go live and get things ready for the kickoff of the Monday Night wrestling wars.

The result seemed to be an answer to what Vince McMahon had done earlier that year with Lawrence Taylor at Wrestlemania 11. Bring in a football player who really has no business there and BOOOM , instant success. Bischoff decided to hire Steve McMichael to annouce.

And trust me folks McMichael added nothing to the annouce crew except talking about "The fight in the dog" referance he'd bring. He must have said this 100 times a show. He also carried a small weiner dog to the annouce table and hold it. Maybe the dog was influencing him to make "dog" statements ...who knows. The end result was everyone basically knew he SUCKED HARD.

Anyhow after months of this , maybe Bischoff realized he was failing as an annoucer ....McMichael was removed. It was the next decision that makes us realize why WCW lost $80+ million bucks in the span of one year.

McMichael got a new nickname "Mongo McMichael" and joined perhaps the most storied group in WCW's history. The 4 Horsemen .

While its true the Horsemen by the 1990's had been pretty much screwed sideways by WCW putting some lame men on the team (Paul Roma ...really ?) the Horsemen name in the Carolina's and Ric Flair was still gold. You'd see as soon as the music hit , people doing th 4 fingers. Because the past invoked a legacy of greatness.... Arn , Tully , Barry and Ric...Arn , Ole , Tully , and Ric ....the legacy baby.

Into it stepped Mongo who was given a push over a lot of talented people. His promos were just as bad as his annoucing. Being a football player he had little skills (I'm sure Ric , Arn and Chris tried to help him) in a wrestling ring. The only thing Mongo had going for him was a smoking hot , beautiful wife named Debra McMichael.

A former Miss Teen Texas runner up , Debra basically was like Rena Mero (Sable). Its just that WCW being moronic fools never realized Debra was the star of the couple and that Mongo wasn't. She would be in the background , say some things ...but she basically for awhile saved Mongo's career.

After awhile though as WCW's past booking sins caught up to them , Mongo soon was gone by 1999. Replaced by Dean Malenko would create the GOD TEAM of Chris Benoit/Dean Malenko. .The best Horsemen tag team since Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson

Now why does this story continue ? In 2006/2007 the WWE put out the above pictured 4 Horsemen DVD. Its there Flair and Arn was allowed to discuss what they thought was shit. Everyone agreed Paul Roma was a bad pick basically with Flair & Arn.

But then it gets to Ric and Arn discussing Jeff Jarrett's short tenure in the group (8 months). Well here is where Ric and Arn start serving their new master Vince McMahon basically. See....Vince hates Jeff Jarrett with a passion . Seems in 1999 Jarrett basically got Vince to pay him back $100,000 grand he owed him (his bonus had been cut months earlier...even with business smoking hot) or he'd walk with the IC Belt to WCW. His contract had ran out and Vince never forgave this . (A fact on the final Nitro in 2001 he spent time to tell us at home Lex Luger and Jeff Jarrett were worthless and would never work in WWE under him)

So back to the DVD. The 2 start discussing how Jarrett just wasn't a Horsemen and wasn't good . The fact he was a hell of a lot better than Mongo and could cut a sensible fucking promo seemed lost on Flair and AA here . Plus love or hate Jarrett....he can at least work a good match.

My friend watched and as we had both been thru the Monday Night Wars , he looked at me in shock : "Is Flair fucking for real ?He can diss Roma sure...but to claim Mongo was better than Jarrett is a stretch beyond damn reality. Check what that man is drinking !"

But many knew that this was less an honest critique and more of trying to appease VINCE MCMAHON. And some will say ...cleary Vince isn't this fucking petty ? Well ladies and gentleman ...I give you this DVD.

Ultimate Warrior DVD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqeVNfygHXo

So if your a wrestler and you piss Vince off , prepare to get whatever good you did SQUASHED like a bug. And watch guys piss all over you in some forms.

In the end Mongo is now a Head Coach in a semi pro NFL League. His career over for good in wrestling. Debra as the star (think Rena Mero again) went on to achieve way bigger fame than her husband ever dreamed of in the WWE. Being Women's Champion and a part of the WWF Attitude era that exploded big for the company.

The lesson here folks ....a hot wife can sometimes be a bigger star.

**worstblogever** · 11-10-2009, 01:15 PM

Worst things done?

#5 on the 50 Dumbest Wrestling moments of all time...

Originally Posted by Some other site

5. JAKE THE SNAKE – HERO OF WRESTLING

In 1999, the wrestling boom had reached such dog-scalding levels of popularity, one company tried to cash in by doing a “nostalgia” PPV full of washed-up fossils from wrestling’s past. Well, I guess there were actually TWO companies, counting WCW. But the one I meant was called “Heroes Of Wrestling.” Using such legendary geezers as Jimmy Snuka, Greg Valentine, George Steele, Nikolai Volkoff, Iron Sheik, and others, the show’s co-main event was set to be Jake Roberts vs. Jim Neidhart.

Reportedly, the day of the show saw Jake get hit up for thousands of dollars in back child support. If you’ve watched “Beyond The Mat” or read half of any Jake story from the past seven years, you know how Jake handles adversity. (Hint: Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.) To make matters worse, Neidhart (who was supposed to put over Jake clean) suddenly refused to do the job, feeling that doing a PPV job would hurt his chances of getting rehired by the WWF. Sad but true: In the months after Owen Hart died, Vince ran around hiring every Hart relative that wasn’t nailed down in hopes of bolstering his ranks for the inevitable lawsuit. Neidhart was eventually picked up by the WWF as a trainer.

So mix it all together, and the result was the single greatest fucked-up live interview in wrestling history. Fortunately for me, www.wrestlecrap.com main man R.D. Reynolds transcribed the thing so I didn’t have to. Behold:

"In a cashino, you should gamblllle. Let me tell you something, Anvil, you don't want to play cards with me, because I'll cheat. Ok, I cheat. You want to play 21, I got 22. You want to play black jack? I got two of those too. (RD: HUH?) You want to play aces and eights? Well, I got some of those too. Bottom line is this. You do not gamble with me....*more slurring*...when you walk into a casino, when you want to gamble, the main thing you must do, is this, you must accept losing. I don't accept losing, and neither doesh Damien. Damien, my friend! My friend Damien is right here. *mumbles incoherently* You don't want to see this, do you? Let me show you something. I tell you what Anvil, go ahead and roll the dice. Mr. Cameraman, get your ass back up here. *getting angry* HELL-OOOO, I'm talkin' to you. Get that camera back up here. Thatsh what you should worry about Anvil. The bottom line is this, when the DDT comes, then the snake comes out. Worry about the DDT. DDT, DDT, DDT (begins yelling) DDT! DDT! DDT! *finally one of the 500 or so people in the audience chants along* THINK ABOUT IT!"

Jake followed up this “heroic” promo by stumbling out to the ring for match time, stopping to force a large female fan into caressing his flabby physique. (And to answer one of nature’s longstanding questions, yes, male snakes do have breasts.) Once the bell rang, Neidhart realized that Jake was in no condition to perform, and thus, wouldn’t even lock up with the guy. Jake’s reaction to all this? He took Damian out of his bag and held the snake between his legs, “jerking it off” as if it were a scaly strap-on. Things fell apart so bad that they sent out the night’s main event, King Kong Bundy and Yokozuna, turning it into an impromptu tag match with Jake & Yoko vs. Neidhart & Bundy. Bundy wound up pinning Jake to end the single biggest train wreck in PPV history.

And wait a minute, didn’t Earthquake kill Damian eight years before this match??

**worstblogever** · 11-10-2009, 01:20 PM

http://scarless1.tripod.com/dumbest3.html

I'm more offended by #10, actually.

10. STEPHANIE REMEMBERS…

Wrestlers have fans. Wrestling writers have supporters. Wrestling divas have stalkers. But “wrestler”/“writer”/”diva” Stephanie McMahon only has apologists. One of the minds that will inherit the WWE laid her ignorance bare for all the world to see on the infamous 9/13/01 Smackdown.

Vince came under fire for even DOING a live Smackdown two days after 9/11 in the first place. We squirmed in our chairs when Vince proudly barked that the show was “the largest public gathering of any kind” after the greatest tragedy our country had ever seen. We looked at our shoes when future WWE champion Bradshaw said that anyone who criticized them for doing the show could “go to hell,” then basically cut a promo in support of genocide. But when it was when Stephanie had her close-up that wrestling’s richest bimbo had her definitive moment.

Stephanie actually compared the terrorist attack on the U.S. to when the U.S. Federal Government went after her daddy on steroid charges. She whined, “They said bad things about my family, but we became stronger.” Obviously, no one in the company would admit that Skankanie’s mind-bogglingly insensitive remarks were a very, very bad idea. However, when clips of the special SD were replayed on their weekend shows, all traces of Steph’s rant were wiped from existence. Even O.J. Simpson TRIED to hide the bloody glove.

One wrestling newsletter accurately decried Stephanie’s comments as “the most tasteless comments ever made on a pro wrestling program.” Screechy’s rant was the first sign that her insecure, unthinking ass isn’t fit to write down a phone number, let alone be head writer for a wrestling company. Big Steph has been unsuccessfully trying to live this moment down ever since.

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-10-2009, 02:54 PM

Back in 2004 TNA was looking at signing a big name. The young 2 yearold company had lured Kevin Nash and Scott Hall over the summer of 2004 into the company and TNA was on the hunt for more "name" stars. The objective was to get a cable deal better than the one they had at Fox Sports.

They had grown from a weekly PPV product to that and was also gonna start running monthly PPV's. They needed to grow and wanted a suprise at the 1st monthly PPV in the company's history "Victory Road" 2004. So TNA after really finding success with Nash (many debated he would bury everyone when he came in , thus far ...5 years later he hasn't) decided to reach out for a NAME star.

ENTER : MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE !

Savage is a star from WWF and WCW and had been a part of some memborable matches with Hogan , Steamboat , Flair and DDP. While still a name Savage hadn't worked since 2000 and he dropped a lot of muscle mass. But TNA felt he would be great to use as an "attraction" and help give the real star of the company "AJ Styles" a rub by tagging with him at the Turning Point 2004 PPV.

It quickly went south pretty fast. The 1st moment problems arose was Savage showed up late at Victory Road. Luckly the Main Event was last and they needed him to come out at the end. Savage had been signed for a bunch of PPV's and dates and the idea from TNA was likely to keep him around long term and perhaps later , give him a run as NWA Champion.

But a thing TNA forgot was Savage isn't sane and after missing one weeks worth of tapings and finally working Turning Point , Savage showed up at the next set of tapings with a demand . He would become NWA World Champion at the next PPV. Or he'd walk.

Now here is where its suprising TNA said no to Savage. But at this point Savage cleary was no longer the man he once was and had dropped a lot of muscle mass. Plus he had agreed to the deal and seemed to be wanting to change it.

TNA basically felt Savage was an asshole and a year after Hulk Hogan fucked the company over (weird how history is) they said good-bye to Savage.

Now why is Savage getting mentioned now ? Well Hogan told Bubba the Love Sponge he wants to bring in Savage to TNA. Whether it works or not ...remains to be seen.

**Free-Man** · 11-10-2009, 02:56 PM

Worst thing about wrestling? It exists.

**worstblogever** · 11-10-2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1

Back in 2004 TNA was looking at signing a big name. The young 2 yearold company had lured Kevin Nash and Scott Hall over the summer of 2004 into the company and TNA was on the hunt for more "name" stars. The objective was to get a cable deal better than the one they had at Fox Sports.

They had grown from a weekly PPV product to that and was also gonna start running monthly PPV's. They needed to grow and wanted a suprise at the 1st monthly PPV in the company's history "Victory Road" 2004. So TNA after really finding success with Nash (many debated he would bury everyone when he came in , thus far ...5 years later he hasn't) decided to reach out for a NAME star.

ENTER : MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE !

Savage is a star from WWF and WCW and had been a part of some memborable matches with Hogan , Steamboat , Flair and DDP. While still a name Savage hadn't worked since 2000 and he dropped a lot of muscle mass. But TNA felt he would be great to use as an "attraction" and help give the real star of the company "AJ Styles" a rub by tagging with him at the Turning Point 2004 PPV.

It quickly went south pretty fast. The 1st moment problems arose was Savage showed up late at Victory Road. Luckly the Main Event was last and they needed him to come out at the end. Savage had been signed for a bunch of PPV's and dates and the idea from TNA was likely to keep him around long term and perhaps later , give him a run as NWA Champion.

But a thing TNA forgot was Savage isn't sane and after missing one weeks worth of tapings and finally working Turning Point , Savage showed up at the next set of tapings with a demand . He would become NWA World Champion at the next PPV. Or he'd walk.

Now here is where its suprising TNA said no to Savage. But at this point Savage cleary was no longer the man he once was and had dropped a lot of muscle mass. Plus he had agreed to the deal and seemed to be wanting to change it.

TNA basically felt Savage was an asshole and a year after Hulk Hogan fucked the company over (weird how history is) they said good-bye to Savage.

Now why is Savage getting mentioned now ? Well Hogan told Bubba the Love Sponge he wants to bring in Savage to TNA. Whether it works or not ...remains to be seen.

You resisted mentioning Savage's 2003 rap album, "Be a Man", where he called out Hogan in some of the worst rhymes ever. Or how Bubba the Love Sponge sent fans to a lip-synched performance by Savage in Florida where he'd be booed off the stage.

Still, I'm sure BONESAW IS READ-EEEE....

**Thadeus Thunderwinkle** · 11-10-2009, 03:18 PM

A few weeks ago, my friend and I caught Halloween Havoc 1998 on cable and it was atrocious from beginning to end. The saving grace was that we were laughing our asses off the entire time, but had I watched this on pay-per-view back then, I would have demanded my money back.

The show started with a promo from Rick Steiner and Buff Bagwell. The match itself was extremely homoerotic as Rick actually rode Buff around the ring as if he were a horse. Uh, oh! Bagwell turned on Rick! Who could have ever seen THIS coming?! Suffice it to say, Rick inevitably beat the Giant and Scott Steiner prompting my friend to ask, "What? He is the Unified Tag Team Champion...with himself?"

What was the most atrocious match of the night is also considered one of the worst in history. If you guys haven't heard of the infamous Hogan-Warrior fight, it is time to find it. What was so horrible about this match? Well, the lead-up to the damn thing didn't help given that Hogan was supposed to be having weird hallucinations of Warrior. However, if Warrior was driving Hogan crazy, I guess that means we were all crazy since EVERYONE who tuned into WCW could see Warrior's reflection in the mirror.

Okay, so that was pretty terrible. The match...was even worse. Warrior came ready to wrestle...if by wrestle one means that you are supposed to log-roll around the mat in order to avoid getting hit. Another laughable part came when it took both men not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR tries to synch up with one another after pushing off the ropes. If the lack of basic skills weren't enough to piss everyone in attendance off, Hogan resorted to trickery by attempting to light a piece of flash paper to throw at Warrior. Unfortunately, the fake "Hadouken" backfired and ended up exploding in Hogan's hand. Still, this didn't stop Warrior from reacting to the move BEFORE the damn piece of flash paper was even lit. The last "great" event of the match came when Hogan's nephew Horace hit Warrior with a chair which, as surmised by The Death of WCW, "Warrior sold the chair shot as if he were just shot by a handgun."

Another great nugget from the night was seeing a LEGITIMATELY drunk Scott Hall wrestle Kevin Nash. Most companies would either fire or seek help for an employee who showed up to work like Hall in the late-90's. Not WCW, for the company actually incorporated Hall's behavior into the storyline. My friend and I thought that Nash and the commentators were trying to play off Hall's drunken antics as if they were nothing...until we realized that they were making jokes directly related to his inebriation.

Not surprisingly, given how terrible the night as a whole was (Disco Inferno had TWO matches for God's sake), the main card match between Goldberg and DDP was removed from the pay-per-view at the time due to scheduling conflicts. Fans were irate and the match was shown in its entirety the following Monday Nitro in order to appease the masses.

There may have been worse wrestling nights in the past, but I sure as hell haven't seen any that come close to Halloween Havoc 1998.

**Arrogantcur** · 11-10-2009, 05:23 PM

How about when Raven was in WCW and somebody thought it would be a good idea to make him into a spoiled rich kid who was never really troubled at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC2inxFn5Y

Way to wreck ECW's creation, guys.

**Wind-Breaker** · 11-10-2009, 07:02 PM

Off the top of my head:

WCW's "The Machine" debut match. WCW hyped him up for weeks only for him piss it all away by letting out a high pitch scream from the top turnbuckle, before he jumping on the tope rope and crotches himself. With DDP (his opponent for the match) trying his best not to piss himself laughing.

Insane Clown Posse appearing in any wrestling promotion.

Undertaker vs UnderFaker: curing insomnia since 1994

Any Glen Jacobs gimmick prior to Kane.

The Bootyman Ed Leslie.

Rick Stiener talking to Chucky (yes that Chucky)

So much more to list. So little time...

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-10-2009, 10:44 PM

World Class Championship Wrestling (or WCCW for short) from Texas was the 3rd/4th big territory promotion in the United States in the late 70's/80's. You had Vince McMahon to the north east (WWF) , the Crocketts in the south east (NWA/Mid-Atlantic) , and Verne Gagne in the mid-west (AWA). WCCW was ran by Fritz Von Erich and its where his sons competed and carried the promotion to its greatest glory.

Its hard to believe how massively popular WCCW was then. The show caught fire once the FREEBIRDS came in to fued with the Von Erichs in 1983. The promotions glory years 1981-1985 was their peak and the legendary Von Erich/Freebird war carried the promotion to new heights not seen ever.

And the promotion smoked then. The TV product was one of the hottest damn shows you could see. So hot , a young channel named ESPN televised them as well. The ESPN deal spread World Class name around and made the promotion bigger and even better.

WCCW was on a high level as the Von Erich's were more popular the Dallas Cowboys at one time. With attendance at the Sportatorium reaching some record breaking moments. And with a promotion this hot , an ESPN cable deal....and even airing overseas in Israel...how could the WCCW fail ?

Well ...sadly it was the 1980's and a lot of young men's fancies weren't on women at times. Cocaine and drugs had came into WCCW and within years Gino Herendez (Handsome Gino) , Mike Von Erich , and David would all sadly pass before their times. Sadly poor Fritz as Ric Flair claims should have got after his boys and their problems. But neglected to do that sadly.

By 1986 the landscape had started to change in wrestling. Vince McMahon was going national. Jim Crockett was more worried and the NWA/WCCW partnership basically was severed finally. Heat had been building for awhile with the NWA and WCCW. Finally when Jim Crockett annouced no NWA World title matches would take place in Texas ....WCCW had to become its own promotion. They declared the North American title "The WCCW World title" and Rick Rude became the 1st champion.

Of course what hurt Fritz and what he never counted on was...he basically got a bit complacent . He didn't wanna book shows outside Dallas and it soon led to arguements with Ken Mantell . The lead booker and partly responsible for how hot the product became. Mantell finally said "Fuck this" and left for Bill Watts UWF promotion.

Then another problem soon hit WCCW and Frit Von Erich....at the time the Oil Market in Texas and the middle states went into a slump/recession. Which would hurt the UWF as well (Watts had to sell it) in the end.

By the time 1986 ended , talent defections (Freebirds , John Tatum , Iceman Parsons) , losing the good booker , a recession hitting and the fact people in Texas after the 2nd death of a Von Erich due to drugs had started to doubt the squeaky clean image of the Von Erichs.

Things got pretty bad. And after the bid to go national ended , Fritz realized he needed to get out of owning WCCW. By 1987 UWF had found a dumb Jim Crockett who bought it , believing he could go national against Vince (he couldn't...its what broke his ass) . So in 1987/88 Fritz , Verne Gagne and Jerry Jarrett decided to merge all as one and form one big national company.

Of course that failed in epic fashion since they all couldn't agree on anything like ordering a cup of coffee. Plus Verne took off with all their money and fucked them from the Superclash III PPV.

The final man left willing to buy WCCW was Jerry Jarrett who owned the Memphis promotion "CWA". Kevin opposed the deal but Fritz basically knew his days were numbered. His boys were now gone , as Kerry took a WWF job. And all that was left in WCCW was Kevin. (Chris was too small and his bones too fragile to be a wrestler...even though his dream was to be one)

The final WCCW show had them basically end the promotion and the new name "USWA" be born. The promotion would run Texas thru Memphis , but it never got the same golden age attention WCCW had.

Sadly the lesson learned here is , what killed the AWA and the Crocketts NWA was sadly dumb mistakes. The moment the NWA pulled out of the partnership with the WCCW , it left the promotion really in a spot. And Fritz didn't sadly help things by letting his best booker go in a dispute and doing angles where he fakes a heart attack in front of a crowd.

End the end of the picture on top , 4 of those brothers are dead now. David Von Erich , and the one who Ric Flair called a "Future NWA World Champion" died of a intestinal rupture caused by a stomach ailment in Japan.

Mike Von Erich was sadly suffering really bad for quite a few years. A shoulder injury over in Israel had Mike learn he suffered from toxic-shock syndrome. His brother Kevin says that it caused him to suffer slight brain damage as well as he never fully recovered. As he battled slurred speech and losing so much weight. Angry over how things had went career wise , Mike took a bottle of Placidyl and alcohal and left his parents a sucide note.

Chris sadly , all he wanted was to be like his brothers. A pro wrestler like them . But Chris suffered from brittle bones and would break them doing simple moves. He also was little. Even though they tried to use him as a wrestler against Percy Pringle in storylines the frustration built up as well as missing his 2 brothers. He sadly shot himself over it in 1991.

Kerry who achieved the most national success sadly in 1993 felt the world was against him as he faced drug charges. Saddened by the loss of his brothers he just couldn't take it. He shot himself on his fathers ranch.

Kevin Von Erich is the sole surviving brother left.

**thehod** · 11-10-2009, 10:56 PM

That's not wrestling.

This is wrestling...

**DoctorDoom** · 11-10-2009, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Arrogantcur

How about when Raven was in WCW and somebody thought it would be a good idea to make him into a spoiled rich kid who was never really troubled at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC2inxFn5Y

Way to wreck ECW's creation, guys.

What about when he was in the WWE, and feuded with the King by constantly bringing up his failed marriage to (former) WWE diva, Kat?

**worstblogever** · 11-10-2009, 11:50 PM

How about the fact that after Scott Hall and Kevin Nash went to WCW, Vince McMahon tried dressing up the man who would become Kane as Nash's character, Diesel, and another wrestler as Hall's character, Razor Ramon, and thought fans wouldn't even notice?

**SUPERECWFAN1** · 11-10-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by worstblogever

How about the fact that after Scott Hall and Kevin Nash went to WCW, Vince McMahon tried dressing up the man who would become Kane as Nash's character, Diesel, and another wrestler as Hall's character, Razor Ramon, and thought fans wouldn't even notice?

Well thats a pretty big "named one" the whole Fake Diesel and Fake Razor guys. Its mentioned a lot sadly.