Ultimate Clint > 616 Clint
Hawkeye might be THE most dedicated Avenger.
Despite all his carping abouty how the team should be run, since he joined his leaves of absence have been shorter than any other member: when he leaves its usually in a fit of piques and its never for long. He cares more about the team than any of the founders short of Cap.
The Avengers have a history of taking on conflicted villans and reforming them. But Clint's the Avengers (sole?) unqualified sucess story. Quicksilver turns heel every so often, Wanda's unstable, Swordsman got killed, Vision got destroyed but Clint became a100% hero as an Avenger and stayed that way (before anybody brings up him trying to kill Osbourne, remember that Osborne is a killer several times over and Clint is very likely suffering from PTSD).
I wonder if he is going to run Avengers Academy post-Seige. Clint's shown an interest in training new heroes-he took Justice and Firestar under his wing and has been shown to be the one the Avengers most interested in getting new blood on the team.
He may be however a better recruiter and trainer than leader. Steve Rogers, Janet Van Dyne and Monica Rambeau were all better leaders than Clint.
I have always liked Hawkeye/Ronin, from the first time I saw him in the 90īs Iron Man cartoon. Since I have never cared that much about superpowers so Clint was a great character since he had just trained hard to become such a athlete. He has also good personality and I can relate to his moral standards. Also his "one true love" Mockinbird is one of my favorites too.
Definately one of my top 10 Marvel characters.
Ultimate Clint is the definition of epic.
Originally Posted by DetectiveDupin
One of the only characters Loeb didn't trash, IMO.
Originally Posted by Hawk I 21
Well he's perhaps the least damaged of the lot.
Originally Posted by DetectiveDupin
Cap didn't make out too bad, either.
Originally Posted by Will.S
The Alpha and The Omega
Too bad the Ultimate Universe can't say the same.
Hawkman No More!
This is how I'd like to see Clint. Whenever I see the Ronin identity I think it should be Iron Fist.
I don't see the issue with how Clint is acting at all. He was murdered by his best friend then, after being ressurected somehow, the world he recognises doesn't exist anymore. It's not like it is for the others, who've seen this gradual slide towards Dark Reign from the start. For Clint, it must be like blinking. Plus there's the aditional stress of seeing his personal iconography taken by, arguably, the worst of the Dark Avengers. I think that puts a strain on him that people are ignoring because it's seen as 'BENDISFAIL!' (ie, different)
Lashing out is perfectly understandable. I don't see the issue with it at all.
That said: I do want to see him take up the purple threads and bow again.
I just want to say that I have really liked Bullseye as Hawkeye. It was deliciously evil and fun. But like most of the Dark Avengers, I wish they elaborated more on each character and how opposite they are from the person they are emulating. I wish I wrote Dark Reign I do.
I also think Clint and Bobbi in Mr. and Mrs. Clint would be fun. I don't want her to die...AGAIN. I feel like you can only kill someone once in comics and if you decide to bring them back they can't die again because you already cheapened the death.
And yes, I want Clint back as Hawkeye.
Just found this thread. Clint is definitely one of my Top 10 Marvel U characters even though I didn't really read much Avengers stuff up until the past couple of years.
That lack of exposure to the "classic" Hawkeye probably contributes to my not having too many problems with the current Ronin identity. Well that and the fact that I actually like Bendis for the most part. *Ducks*
But I think those pointing out all he's been through lately have a point. It would be kind of hard to swallow Clint if he hadn't changed at all, IMO. But I do hope that he takes back the Hawkeye name after Siege.
I also really like his dynamic with Bobbi and I hope that's something that's not going to go away anytime soon.
There's a West Coast Avengers HC coming out pretty soon if I'm not mistaken and I'm thinking of picking it up. Would you guys recommend it and how highly?
Hawkeye was my very first “favorite” superhero.
Back in the mid-1960’s, there was a animated television show titled, The Marvel Superheroes. Now when I say animated, I actually mean, that most of the show was panels from the original comics cut and pasted onto animation layout board and then occasionally jiggled around to give the impression of movement.
But while they were badly animated, it didn’t really matter since the art itself, was prime Kirby, Ditko and the bullpen gang, with stories by Stan Lee.
There were five rotating stars, Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk, Namor and Captain America, with Caps adventures mainly being taken from the ”Caps Kookie Quartet” era of the Avengers. So there were lots of stories featuring Cap, Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch and our boy Hawkeye the Marksman.
It was about 1966 and a bit before I could read, so while I had seen Marvel comics I was still very much in the Harvey comics, Casper and Hot Stuff stage, with a bit of DC thrown in, so this show was my first real exposure to Marvel comics.
And I loved the damm thing, as bad as it was, because to my 4 year old eyes, it was this rich world of action and adventure and good guys smacking around bad guys. There wasn’t one of the characters from The Hulk on down who I didn’t become a huge fan of, but the one I loved the most, and it was because he just wasn’t nearly as wholesome and clean cut as the rest, was Hawkeye.
I mean come on, he even would talk back to Cap!!!!!
Plus I loved the uniform.
The bright purple, the pointy mask and all the cool arrows.
I mean I knew I probably was never going to fly, but if I got a bow and arrow, who knows, I could end up being just like Hawkeye.
The one thing I couldn’t figure out though, was why of all the superheroes out there, Cap and Hawkeye were the only ones to put their initials on the top of their masks.
I understood why Superman had the S on his chest, but I have to admit that the H and A never made much sense to me, even then.
But I digress.
The Avengers stories were really fascinating to me as a kid because the four of them spent almost as much time arguing with each other as they did fighting bad guys. Plus it was kind of cool that all three guys on the team had a crush on the Scarlet Witch, which goes to show that Quicksilver was always a bit creepy.
Anyway, Hawkeye was easy for me to identify with and over all these years and through all the changes comics have gone through, he is still one of the most likable, interesting, and just plain fun comicbook characters out there.
Somehow I don’t think Clint will ever be a big time headliner, but he is definitely one of those star characters on the marvel “B” list that make up the real backbone of the Marvel Universe.
Now that you mention it, I too wanted a bow and arrow because of Hawkeye as a kid lol.
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