The Mephisto is not the devil topic (IS TOO!) - The Mephisto Mega Thread

[RDMacQ]

I doubt that Ennis even knows that there is a character in the MU called Mephisto, who is ued as a devil-standin.
Retcon by accident?

I'd say retcon by not really caring all that much.

[paulski]

He's as close as any character Marvel's got.

Yep. For all intents and purposes... he is the Devil.

[DeadXMan]

but what about the actual devil, father of Hellstorm and all that?

[BlackToe]

*cough*Chthun*cough*

excuse me

[yadadaimhollaing]

personally i prefer the devil cause hes less filling

[Vakanai]

Old people are only good for dying.

I know this is a joke, but it's kind of in bad taste I think.

On topic, I have to ask, considering how evil he is, why does it matter if he's the devil or not? An evil demonic satanic figure is an evil demonic satanic figure. Really, this is like arguing whether or not the Punisher killed a guy with a shotgun or a rifle, the effect is pretty much the same.

[Vakanai]

Just how exactly can you have a classic Faustian Pact without a "devil"...??

A devil =/= the Devil.
Not saying he is or isn't, I don't know the character. Just saying though, a devil does not equal the devil.

[cosmoboy]

Well, only the first one is relevant....... http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/1...ok-status-u?71

Been traveling for work, so if this has been posted somewhere in the last few days....sorry.

[John Zaleski]

no he's not!

[ShaggyB]

Just how exactly can you have a classic Faustian Pact without a "devil"...??

Thats simple. You have someone play the role of the/a devil.

the "ian" on the end of the Faust means its similar but not the same. Basically any character that can fulfill the deal can play the part of the devil. That does not make them the devil.

For example. Replace Mephisto with the Beyonder. He can bend reality to be what he wishes it to be. He makes the deal with spider-man. In such case, the Beyonder plays the part of the devil in the faust-ian tale. It isnt Faust because its not the exact same story, its just similar in that it has a character in desperate need and a "devil" whom offers the way out.

[carabas]

For example. Replace Mephisto with the Beyonder. He can bend reality to be what he wishes it to be. He makes the deal with spider-man. In such case, the Beyonder plays the part of the devil in the faust-ian tale.

You can't have a Faustian tale with the Beyonder (unles the Beyonder has gotten very evil in recent years). It's not how Faustian tales work.
It could work with the now very powerful Norman Osborn. A Faustian tale does not require a near-omnipotent character as antagonist, only a character that can do something the protagonist needs done but doesn't have the power to do, and an extremely evil character that can make that happen.

Obviously, it works better with an actual devil/demon/evil god than a politician.
But still, whether or not Mephisto is the actual devil or a pretender matters not even slightly. He's more evil than the biblical devil.

[ShaggyB]

But still, whether or not Mephisto is the actual devil or a pretender matters not even slightly. He's more evil than the biblical devil.

thats beside the point to whether it being faustain indicates that he is the devil.

[The Shadow]

Guh! Triple post. What is wrong with me??

Forum sometimes does that.

[RDMacQ]

I know this is a joke, but it's kind of in bad taste I think.

On topic, I have to ask, considering how evil he is, why does it matter if he's the devil or not? An evil demonic satanic figure is an evil demonic satanic figure. Really, this is like arguing whether or not the Punisher killed a guy with a shotgun or a rifle, the effect is pretty much the same.

I think the problem stems from people who focus solely on whether or not the Punisher killed someone with either a shotgun or a rifle, since they seem to argue that it does affect the entire argument and how it reflects back on the Punisher (if you get what I'm saying.)

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Emma and Selene are not happy with this topic