The Mephisto is not the devil topic (IS TOO!) - The Mephisto Mega Thread

**whiteshark** · 10-17-2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by carabas

And what do Stan Lee and Joe Buscema have to say on the matter? They did not write any sort of official biography.

The official biography on Marvel's site is a Wiki. You can go there and change bits of it if you want to.

Check page 10 of this same thread to see what Stan Lee says about that matter.

**Jim Thompson** · 10-17-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by whiteshark

Check page 10 of this same thread to see what Stan Lee says about that matter.

According to a fan site, isn't it?

**Farmernudie** · 10-17-2009, 01:38 PM

Joe Q. is aksed if making a "deal with the devil" might seem more controverisal than a divorce.

Here is his answer:

Joe Quesada: "Perhaps if they conjured up the devil for selfish means, yes, but it's Mephisto who presents himself to them."

Note that Joe doesn't get into the semantics, not once ever, that he is "a" devil, or anything the like. (as some fans do)

Over and over he refers to him as the devil.

He has explained hows, and whys of the story and how it simply makes sense for it all.

**whiteshark** · 10-17-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jim Thompson

According to a fan site, isn't it?

What is said there,is claimed to said by Stan Lee.

**The Shadow** · 10-17-2009, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Farmernudie

Here is his answer:

Note that Joe doesn't get into the semantics, not once ever, that he is "a" devil, or anything the like. (as some fans do)

Link please?

Because I've read something VERY similar but he doesn't use the word 'devil' once.

And I'll actually quote my source as per the new rule #12.

"Now, there are those that say, "but he made a deal with the Mephisto, how is that better?" I would at least see something in that statement if it was Peter who conjured up Mephisto. If Peter had no options and then proceeded to perform some ritual in order to invoke Mephisto, or in essence reached out to him as a last ditch effort, then yes, I would agree because now you're validating and saying it's okay to seek out the Mephisto guy to fix a problem. But, that's not what happened. It was Mephisto in this case, as he is prone to do, who comes to Peter at his weakest moment and uses this to his advantage. Why? Because he's a villain. This is a very important distinction, Peter is used by the bad guy, taken advantage of, and let me add it's not the first time a villain has taken advantage of him."

Now in that WHOLE quote he doesn't say 'devil' once instead using Mephisto's name.

**Farmernudie** · 10-17-2009, 03:07 PM

here is the link...have fun

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=12253

It's halfway down the page or so....

**carabas** · 10-17-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by whiteshark

Check page 10 of this same thread to see what Stan Lee says about that matter.

'kay.

Originally Posted by Stan Lee

Basically, it has always been my desire to have our stories savored for their enjoyment value primarily. Any moralistic or philosophical extras which might be thrown in are merely Marvel bonuses. Hence, I was reluctant to use the name Satan, or Mephistopheles, or Lucifer, or whatever. Names such as those would leave nothing in doubt. So I settled for a name which certainly had the sound of Mephistopheles, but we weren't coming out and saying it. Besides, Mephisto is easier to spell.

So basically Mephisto really is the actual devil in every aspect, the only difference being the slightly more PC name. Got it.

**mikekerr3** · 10-17-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by carabas

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So basically Mephisto really is the actual devil in every aspect, the only difference being the slightly more PC name. Got it.

Don't you love it when people you are debating with prove your point for you

**BlackToe** · 10-17-2009, 06:11 PM

And yet in the comics and Marvel continuity, he still isnt.

**mikekerr3** · 10-17-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by BlackToe

And yet in the comics and Marvel continuity, he still isnt.

The guy who crated him disagrees and even joe Q disagrees with you at least part of the time.

But since you know more about the character than the creator and the current EIC I won't argue with you

**BlackToe** · 10-17-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerr3

The guy who crated him disagrees and even joe Q disagrees with you at least part of the time.

But since you know more about the character than the creator and the current EIC I won't argue with you

Oh so now its "it doesnt matter whats in the comics or the history"? Didnt you just say the opposite deal with regards to what caused the mindwipe?

**mikekerr3** · 10-17-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by BlackToe

Oh so now its "it doesnt matter whats in the comics or the history"? Didnt you just say the opposite deal with regards to what caused the mindwipe?

I the books he's pretty much always, with few exceptions, been a stand in for the devil.

**BlackToe** · 10-17-2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerr3

I the books he's pretty much always, with few exceptions, been a stand in for the devil.

But his own history and continuity PROVES that he isnt.

**The Shadow** · 10-17-2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by mikekerr3

The guy who crated him disagrees and even joe Q disagrees with you at least part of the time.

But since you know more about the character than the creator and the current EIC I won't argue with you

Perhaps you should re-read what Stan Lee said.