Namor the Sub-Mariner Appreciation

[Rheged]

I hope you're wrong on that Rheged. Namor can't go along being a "colossus" like he was in the X-men. All his amazing plotlines going nowhere.

Bendis did open up and avenue with his powers getting a boost possibly or redux like other P5 members. (Hopefully Hopeless and Hickman follow Bendis's lead) I'm sure New Avengers will get him some characterization and storyline as he directly has a hand with the main leader. Its about time for more IMPERIUS REX to hit the scene.

I asked Hickman about that, and he said Namor's P5 adjustment would be BUTT WINGS! LOL! Of course, he's joking, but he was equally flippant when someone else asked about, and I don't get the feeling that anything to do with the P5 / X-Men has much interest to him. Actually, I don't think it has much interest to anyone at Marvel, sadly, unless it relates to Cyclops. We've gotten ZERO info about Namor and his relationship with the X-Men, or even Emma.

I also asked Hickman about the revelation in Namor's last ongoing that _all_ the magic of Atlantis flowed through him, but apparently, that is also irrelevant. Despite the fact, when talking of kingship, it clearly has a role in Atlantean society. He talks about Black Bolt being a destined king, but that's a recent Hickman creation, while Namor's been the subject of prophecy and literally blessed by his god numerous of times, since the Silver Age, as well as tapped as a guardian of sorts against ancient evils such interdimensional threats as Set and Suma-Ket. Plus there's the numerous times in the Defenders where Namor is tapped as an elemental symbol, and his role on the Defenders fated.

Hickman seems to forget that Namor also thought the Illuminati wasn't a good idea, but unlike Panther, he took a seat at the table, because there was NO way he was going to let these other guys make world decisions without having a say or knowing about it. I just don't agree that Namor thinks he's _the most_ important guy in the room -- that's a cardboard assessment of Namor.

Namor can't help but get some characterization, because he's such a strongly delineated character. But he needs his own story, that advances the character. Otherwise, more and more people, and writers, will believe this claptrap that Namor is best as a supporting character. And that's the vibe that I'm picking up. He's only there to prop up Panther and Reed and be a smart a$$.

I hope I'm wrong, but so far, I haven't heard a single thing that is focused on Namor.

[Rheged]

So, Namor is classified as an Avenger?

I can't see your pictures. But Namor's been an Avenger since #262. He was actually asked to be an Avenger back in #16 when Cap's Kooky Quartet was recruited, IIRC.

[Juggernaut Punch]

I think there's some kind of editorial mandate for Hickman to adress Namor being changed by his time as a Phoenix. Its not just a Bendis idea, Hopeless is addressing Colossus' problems with his powers in Cable-Force. So unless Hickman does it in New Avengers, someone else will do it in a different book. Bendis suggested that Namor would be appearing at some point.

[Rheged]

I think there's some kind of editorial mandate for Hickman to adress Namor being changed by his time as a Phoenix. Its not just a Bendis idea, Hopeless is addressing Colossus' problems with his powers in Cable-Force. So unless Hickman does it in New Avengers, someone else will do it in a different book. Bendis suggested that Namor would be appearing at some point.

Where did he suggest this? I've been anxiously awaiting, but severely disappointed by the post-AvX treatment of Namor, especially by the X-office.

AFAIK, Namor's not in another book.

[Rheged]

Oh! Finished the Saga of Subby, Namor is definitely classic anti-hero (never gets a girl for very long, a man of two, maybe three worlds - human, Atlantean and mutant, and defnitely both of his parents in every way.) I liked it. There were parts I preferred to others, but I can clearly see through the Saga of The Sub-Mariner just how many different ways Namor can go as far as his character. He has so much potential, which is another thing I really like about him.

I'm glad you liked it! I'm always iffy about recommending things, cause folks have different tastes, especially for the older stuff. I thought it was a risky move to have the first issue not even have Namor appear, but since he's the narrator, his presence is a given, I suppose.

But having read that issue dedicated to his parents, you'll understand why I was not that fond of Fraction's retcon with Captain Nemo. In a later run, there's even a scene where Princess Fen's soul is transferred to another body, while the villain possesses hers, yet her flesh seems to remember Leonard McKenzie, when the villain sees Fen's wedding ring. Yes, a bit sappy and romantic, but I loved it. I'll have to see if I can find the scan.

That's definitely been a theme with Namor since the Golden Age, a man torn between two worlds, though we don't see much of that addressed nowadays in his guest spots / team books.

Namor's love life is interesting, though often bittersweet. I admire his ability to keep looking, to keep putting himself out there, amongst other things.

[Juggernaut Punch]

Where did he suggest this? I've been anxiously awaiting, but severely disappointed by the post-AvX treatment of Namor, especially by the X-office.

AFAIK, Namor's not in another book.

I recall him saying "stay tuned for Namor" on his twitter or something. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[SquidSquod]

Looking at this http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-Leave-Batgirl

So how about Gail Simone on Namor..

[Rheged]

Looking at this http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-Leave-Batgirl

So how about Gail Simone on Namor..

Hmmmm. That could be interesting. Her Catman was great! Actually, I'd love to see a woman writer who appreciated the character tackle Namor. But scanning through that thread, I don't think Gail is leaving DC, or interested in Namor. I'm betting IF she was coming to Marvel, they'd stick her on a female character book.

[Rheged]

I recall him saying "stay tuned for Namor" on his twitter or something. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Coolness. May have to get a twitter account and pester Bendis.

[Rheged]

Looking at this http://forums.comicbookresources.com...-Leave-Batgirl

So how about Gail Simone on Namor..

Well, now it appears official. I hope Marvel has enough sense to snap up her, and Karen Berger.

[TonyStark1012]

Well, now it appears official. I hope Marvel has enough sense to snap up her, and Karen Berger.

That would be pretty damn cool. I don't know why Marvel just didn't keep the team that did the Namor mini during the initiative. The mini was amazing.

[Rheged]

That would be pretty damn cool. I don't know why Marvel just didn't keep the team that did the Namor mini during the initiative. The mini was amazing.

I believe Matt Cherniss and Peter Johnson are Hollywood guys. I don't think they've written anything since Sub-Mariner Revolution. Phillipe Briones, the artist, of course is still doing stuff, but I suspect he also does more European books, being French.



I just got Sean Howe's MARVEL COMICS THE UNTOLD STORY and of course, I went straight to the index so I could read the Namor stuff first.

Cool Thing I Did Not Know:

Steve Ditko was given a choice of three characters to 'revive' for the duo books: Hulk, Ka-Zar, and the Sub-Mariner! Of course, he chose the Hulk -- because he wanted to draw New Mexico locales.


Man, I'd have LOVE to seen Steve Ditko draw Atlantean locales.

[TonyStark1012]

I believe Matt Cherniss and Peter Johnson are Hollywood guys. I don't think they've written anything since Sub-Mariner Revolution. Phillipe Briones, the artist, of course is still doing stuff, but I suspect he also does more European books, being French.



I just got Sean Howe's MARVEL COMICS THE UNTOLD STORY and of course, I went straight to the index so I could read the Namor stuff first.

Cool Thing I Did Not Know:

Steve Ditko was given a choice of three characters to 'revive' for the duo books: Hulk, Ka-Zar, and the Sub-Mariner! Of course, he chose the Hulk -- because he wanted to draw New Mexico locales.


Man, I'd have LOVE to seen Steve Ditko draw Atlantean locales.

As always thanks for the info Rheged. I didn't know that. I loved that mini. I have both the singles and trade.

[Rheged]

As always thanks for the info Rheged. I didn't know that. I loved that mini. I have both the singles and trade.

Me too! Although I also like what Stuart Moore was doing in his last ongoing, Sub-Mariner Revolution had better and more consistent art, as well as a killer ending. Plus lots of battles and guest stars. It's the book I usually recommend to folks new to Namor, even if I have a few issues with it (Kamar), as it's a good portrait of modern Namor - minus his love life. LOL!

[Frank]

I can't see your pictures. But Namor's been an Avenger since #262. He was actually asked to be an Avenger back in #16 when Cap's Kooky Quartet was recruited, IIRC.

That was a great fight!