Health Care Reform Debate-Megathread

[Iangould]

You really have to hand it to Obama his health care plan is simultaneously the key part of hi plot to convert America into a Marxist dictatorship AND part of his secret plan to grind down the poor in the service of his capitalist masters.

[cappa donna]

Obama has absolutely failed with this bill. He should be embarrassed. He won with HUGE support and he's made a mockery of himself. So sad to see. He actually has his footclan all over TV spouting the current catchphrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." His pitch has become an insult to people who think.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Count me in there. I'm against them passing any of these compromised bullshit bills that change almost nothing.

agreed....i knew this was gonna happen.

[o1pickleboy]

agreed....i knew this was gonna happen.

If piece of shitcare doesn't pass they won't be any health care. It will be 93 all over again. Then in 10 to 15 years we will be back to this point again.

This country for some reason can't handle radical changes in policy. Baby Steps is the only way.

Take this health care to prove that it isn't the end of the world. Then reform it at a later date.

[cappa donna]

There is a con being propagated that any bill is a victory. A victory for who? Not us. Avoid mad cow; don't buy the bull.

[o1pickleboy]

There is a con being propagated that any bill is a victory. A victory for who? Not us. Avoid mad cow; don't buy the bull.

Well if this bill fails and you do get the health care you want. I will be very very surprised.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

If piece of shitcare doesn't pass they won't be any health care. It will be 93 all over again. Then in 10 to 15 years we will be back to this point again.

This country for some reason can't handle radical changes in policy. Baby Steps is the only way.

Take this health care to prove that it isn't the end of the world. Then reform it at a later date.

i heard that before, but all i'm saying is that i knew this would happen. i was watching bill Moyer's journal on PBS where one analyst said even the bigger bill didn't really solve the problem as it still left the pharmaceutical/insurance industry at the table. they wanted obama to go down fighting instead of compromising.


i laughed at that last part though.

[cappa donna]

Well if this bill fails and you do get the health care you want. I will be very very surprised.

It'd be unlikely, but it's important to not support spending for spending's sake. That's irresponsible and doesn't benefit anyone. The mandate is ridiculous as well. The point is the Dems don't deserve a victory if they cant deliver. The age of appeasement is over. Running the black guy out and expecting liberal dems to fall in lockstep with their Kenyan messiah no longer works. Give us what we want or you lose your career, period.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Give us what we want or you lose your career, period.

i actually think that's a fair point. most politicians are basically careerist. it was never their job to "save people" apparently. at least that's what one black political analyst said on the TV show black enterprise. i'm assuming he meant it was a noble thing to want to be a public servant, but it's not their job to save people. that statement still left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Fenris]

Running the black guy out and expecting liberal dems to fall in lockstep with their Kenyan messiah no longer works.

... Wait, what?

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This thread is getting weirder at a steady pace.

[Iangould]

Remember "Support the troops"?

Republican Senators are filibustering the Defense Appropriation bill - which they claim to support - in the hope that they can slow down Senate proceedings enough that there won't be time to pass the Health care bill before Christmas.

Interim arrangements to continue funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan run out in the next few days - but so what, there's partisan points to score.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...s=rss_politics

[Iangould]

... Wait, what?

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This thread is getting weirder at a steady pace.

Cappa Donna appears to be promoting the conspiracy theory that Obama was really born in Kenya.

[Fenris]

Cappa Donna appears to be promoting the conspiracy theory that Obama was really born in Kenya.

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's just kind of weird to see that trope coming from the left.

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Though that may be my own assumptions at work!

[Paradox]

o1pickleboy drinks the Kool-Aid:

If piece of shitcare doesn't pass they won't be any health care. It will be 93 all over again. Then in 10 to 15 years we will be back to this point again.

Throw it out and start over. It's a blowjob to the insurance companies. The exact OPPOSITE of what was supposed to go down.

This country for some reason can't handle radical changes in policy. Baby Steps is the only way.

Take this health care to prove that it isn't the end of the world. Then reform it at a later date.

It'll only get "reformed" in favor of the insurance companies.

[Paradox]

Fenris wants EVERYTHING!:

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's just kind of weird to see that trope coming from the left.

Harumph! How insulting! The right doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity!!!