Veronica Cale?

**Seraku** · 09-08-2009, 01:41 PM

what happened to her? I know she appeared for a bit in 52, but she's kinda just dropped off the face of the earth. which is too bad because I was really liking Rucka building her up as Diana's Luthor.

**Karl O'Neill** · 09-08-2009, 01:43 PM

The Preview for Doom Patrol #2 has just been put up on newsarama and dcu blog.

Your answer lies there

**FeminineMystique** · 09-08-2009, 01:58 PM

She was also in the "Four Horsemen" mini series a little while ago. It's in trade paperback form if you want to track it down darling

**4PointOh** · 09-08-2009, 02:22 PM

**MinaRho1** · 09-08-2009, 02:25 PM

I thought her pearls were black?

Ugh. I'm such a shallow bitch.

**Free-Man** · 09-08-2009, 02:28 PM

Damn....

I really wish Rucka would've left her in the closet....

**americanwonder** · 09-08-2009, 02:42 PM

I really like Cale - one of the best new WW foes to come along - so I may never forgive Doom Patrol for stealing her away (yes, I know there's more to it than that, and I am glad she's at least being used (hopefully well) somewhere in the DCU). Maybe we'll see her in the pages of WW (where she belongs) again some day.

**Spiffy** · 09-08-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Seraku

which is too bad because I was really liking Rucka building her up as Diana's Luthor.

Well, if she's used in the BEST Luthor tradition (unlike the worst one which has often been thrust on readership) then it would be a version who's not always as binary as good or evil. The most interesting versions of Luthor were the ones who were explained to the audience as ruthless, but also "the good guy" within his own mind (if he consorted with "supervillains he usually held them in disdain and explained them as tools of his mission, at best). The bleah versions are the Luthor versions who go around labeling himself voluntarily as a villain and wearing ridiculous battle armor.

**4PointOh** · 09-08-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Spiffy

Well, if she's used in the BEST Luthor tradition (unlike the worst one which has often been thrust on readership) then it would be a version who's not always as binary as good or evil. The most interesting versions of Luthor were the ones who were explained to the audience as ruthless, but also "the good guy" within his own mind (if he consorted with "supervillains he usually held them in disdain and explained them as tools of his mission, at best). The bleah versions are the Luthor versions who go around labeling himself voluntarily as a villain and wearing ridiculous battle armor.

That seems to be where Rucka was going with Cale. She saw herself She saw Diana as dishonest and disconnected from the lives of real women. She believed that she was the proper role model for women as she presented a vision that normal women could actually attain, whereas Diana presented them with a fantasy that would ultimately discourage and maybe even destroy women. So she saw herself doing womankind a great service by exposing Diana's fraud and getting rid of her.

**Free-Man** · 09-08-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by 4PointOh

That seems to be where Rucka was going with Cale. She saw herself She saw Diana as dishonest and disconnected from the lives of real women. She believed that she was the proper role model for women as she presented a vision that normal women could actually attain, whereas Diana presented them with a fantasy that would ultimately discourage and maybe even destroy women. So she saw herself doing womankind a great service by exposing Diana's fraud and getting rid of her.

....And also had no qualms with murdering innocent people out of spite. That's personally one of the things that makes me dislike Cale. Even under Rucka's pen, she's all over the place.

**shanejayell** · 09-08-2009, 04:38 PM

Oooh. I may have to start getting DP now.

**Gail Simone** · 09-08-2009, 04:58 PM

I did ask to use VC but Greg had some qualms about it, and I try to be respectful of that stuff.

**AaronJ** · 09-08-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by jamesfreeman

....And also had no qualms with murdering innocent people out of spite. That's personally one of the things that makes me dislike Cale. Even under Rucka's pen, she's all over the place.

She's not all over the place, IMO. She saw those murders as means to an end.

She's not a good woman, regardless of what she thinks in her own twisted head. She's a sociopath who, nonetheless, believes she is superior to Wonder Woman, because she is more real and has made herself into what she is, as opposed to being "handed everything on a silver platter, from the gods, no less."

But at the end of the day, she's a villain. So I don't understand why her murdering people (for whatever reason she felt was necessary) makes her a bad character.

**4PointOh** · 09-08-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by diana_fan

She's not all over the place, IMO. She saw those murders as means to an end.

She's not a good woman, regardless of what she thinks in her own twisted head. She's a sociopath who, nonetheless, believes she is superior to Wonder Woman, because she is more real and has made herself into what she is, as opposed to being "handed everything on a silver platter, from the gods, no less."

But at the end of the day, she's a villain. So I don't understand why her murdering people (for whatever reason she felt was necessary) makes her a bad character.

Precisely. That's precisely who Veronica Cale is.