Blackest Night: Wonder Woman

[4PointOh]

So it's been revealed that Greg Rucka is the writer on this, which pretty much guarantees that a reanimated Maxwell Lord is going to appear and Diana will have to deal, in a much more immediate way, with the aftermath of her killing him. So, it's going to be very interesting.

Does anyone have any clue as to who the artist is?

[FeminineMystique]

Not sure darling. Though I'm sincerely hoping this will mean we get to see Max get his neck snapped over and over again.

God I hate Maxwell Lord. He's on the list along with Superboy Prime and Alex Luthor of "Villains who you don't even love to hate, you just HATE" for me

[4PointOh]

Not sure darling. Though I'm sincerely hoping this will mean we get to see Max get his neck snapped over and over again.

God I hate Maxwell Lord. He's on the list along with Superboy Prime and Alex Luthor of "Villains who you don't even love to hate, you just HATE" for me

Feminine Mystique, not only are you named after one of my favorite episodes of the Wonder Woman television series, but you are also one of my favorite people ever.

I ADORE you.

[FeminineMystique]

Feminine Mystique, not only are you named after one of my favorite episodes of the Wonder Woman television series, but you are also one of my favorite people ever.

I ADORE you.

*Snuggles* Flattery will get you everywhere darling *Kiss* you're pretty adorable yourself

[SJNeal]

Not sure darling. Though I'm sincerely hoping this will mean we get to see Max get his neck snapped over and over again.

God I hate Maxwell Lord. He's on the list along with Superboy Prime and Alex Luthor of "Villains who you don't even love to hate, you just HATE" for me

Really? I've always loved to hate Max. Be it during his JLI yrs or more recently, I feel he's a great morally ambiguous character...

[Nyssane]

I hope we see Priscilla Rich somewhere there, too, since she died in Rucka's run.

[4PointOh]

[Spiffy]

I hope Rucka remembers that a lot of people were more upset at all of the preaching tossed at Wonder Woman after the Max Lord incident than the death itself.

Compounding it were the moments where it seemed to be pushing her into a corner where the character had to be written as guilt ridden or defensive. It never fit. She should have rightfully been upset at the necessity of the killing, perhaps very determined to avoid situations where such was necessary again, but she shouldn't have just sat there and took the lecturing or reacted with guilt or defensiveness. I like a slightly flawed Wonder Woman in some ways, but even so, she's too confident a person and raised in such a way that the angst seemed ridiculous.

[FeminineMystique]

I LOVE YOU

I also love how shocked Supes looks there. "Oh, how dare you kill the man who wanted to commit genocide!" of course Superman would NEVER kill in a kill or be killed situation...

well, he's legally a serial killer as he murdered three phantom zone criminals but OTHER than that he would never kill

[4PointOh]

I hope Rucka remembers that a lot of people were more upset at all of the preaching tossed at Wonder Woman after the Max Lord incident than the death itself.

Compounding it were the moments where it seemed to be pushing her into a corner where the character had to be written as guilt ridden or defensive. It never fit. She should have rightfully been upset at the necessity of the killing, perhaps very determined to avoid situations where such was necessary again, but she shouldn't have just sat there and took the lecturing or reacted with guilt or defensiveness. I like a slightly flawed Wonder Woman in some ways, but even so, she's too confident a person and raised in such a way that the angst seemed ridiculous.

I believe you're spot on here, Spiffy. Wonder Woman was following a very specific code with very specific rules. The perception that she somehow made a "mistake" rings false. I liked Gail's follow-up to that story where Diana felt regret that Maxwell Lord forced her hand in that way, but doesn't regret the action because it was necessary.

[4PointOh]

I LOVE YOU

I also love how shocked Supes looks there. "Oh, how dare you kill the man who wanted to commit genocide!" of course Superman would NEVER kill in a kill or be killed situation...

well, he's legally a serial killer as he murdered three phantom zone criminals but OTHER than that he would never kill

What I like about that scene is how Rags Morales nailed the soldier-like determination in Diana's facial expression.

[Spiffy]

I believe you're spot on here, Spiffy. Wonder Woman was following a very specific code with very specific rules. The perception that she somehow made a "mistaken" rings false. I liked Gail's follow-up to that story where Diana felt regret that Maxwell Lord forced her hand in that way, but doesn't regret the action because it was necessary.

The way Superman in particular acted, in several appearances after, reminded me strongly of that "Superdickery" phrase people toss around.

As I recall, Batman was in some ways even worse.

And the whole "Who is Wonder Woman" story arc was, I believe, supposed to be some lame attempt at Diana "rediscovering" herself after this "heinous" action and the aftermath of supposed guilt and a need to rediscover herself. Which is one of the many reasons (among so many others) that the arc annoyed the hell out of me. It never explicitly said it was about "overcoming" the Max Lord mess, but it sure as hell heavily implied it. What the hell was there to overcome? Wonder Woman is not a wuss. She was a trained warrior, who took a necessary but unpleasant action, which she wouldn't like to repeat, but would if she had to. End of story.

[4PointOh]

The way Superman in particular acted, in several appearances after, reminded me strongly of that "Superdickery" phrase people toss around.

As I recall, Batman was in some ways even worse.

And the whole "Who is Wonder Woman" story arc was, I believe, supposed to be some lame attempt at Diana "rediscovering" herself after this "heinous" action and the aftermath of supposed guilt and a need to rediscover herself. Which is one of the many reasons (among so many others) that the arc annoyed the hell out of me. It never explicitly said it was about "overcoming" the Max Lord mess, but it sure as hell heavily implied it. What the hell was there to overcome? Wonder Woman is not a wuss. She was a trained warrior, who took a necessary but unpleasant action, which she wouldn't like to repeat, but would if she had to. End of story.

Precisely.

Even in ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, Lois told Clark that Diana did precisely what she had to in order to save countless lives. But still, Superman and Batman refused to give her an inch--even though they knew what she was up against. Further, neither of them ever presented her with a reasonable alternative. They just rode the party line, "We don't kill." Just once, I would have loved for Diana to have said to Bruce or Kal, "What would you have had me do, then? Let Max continue to control Kal and kill Athena knows how many innocents? What would you have done in my position?"

Then, in INFINITE CRISIS, she's portrayed as this hard-line, stubborn, unthinking, bloodthirsty killer who wants to slice open any adversary that stands in her way. Then, when Batman's about to kill Lex Luthor, she has this sudden and unexplained change of heart and breaks her sword as a show of penance.

Then she wanders the globe in 52 to discover...well, absolutely nothing except that Donna Troy makes a lousy replacement.

It's pure comedy, I tell ya.

[FeminineMystique]

Precisely.

Even in ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, Lois told Clark that Diana did precisely what she had to in order to save countless lives. But still, Superman and Batman refused to give her an inch--even though they knew what she was up against. Further, neither of them ever presented her with a reasonable alternative. They just rode the party line, "We don't kill." Just once, I would have loved for Diana to have said to Bruce or Kal, "What would you have had me do, then? Let Max continue to control Kal and kill Athena knows how many innocents? What would you have done in my position?"

Then, in INFINITE CRISIS, she's portrayed as this hard-line, stubborn, unthinking, bloodthirsty killer who wants to slice open any adversary that stands in her way. Then, when Batman's about to kill Lex Luthor, she has this sudden and unexplained change of heart and breaks her sword as a show of penance.

Then she wanders the globe in 52 to discover...well, absolutely nothing except that Donna Troy makes a lousy replacement.

It's pure comedy, I tell ya.

Geoff's take on Wonder Woman is pure comedy alright. But not as funny as how he handles Superman (Crisis of Conscience springs to mind, where apparently SUperman would rather have murderers and rapists free to hunt down his wife and loved ones than wipe their minds. Some hero. Wonder if he told Lois how he voted when it came time to mind wipe the Secret Society of Supervillains again? )

Glad that Gail has ignored all that and shown that while Diana wishes there had been another way, she's not guilty for killing Lord. She did what had to be done for the greater good. That's what a real hero does

[Dream Boy]

I loved Rucka's Diana. So, I'm definitely looking forward to this. As far as the killing of Maxwell Lord, she had to do what she had to do. That's what makes Diana Diana.