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    Default Why would Batman save the Joker's life?

    The discussion from this thread brought up a good point.

    http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=284186

    Not killing him is one thing, but why would Batman actually go out of his way to save the Joker's life? Especially given the things the Joker has done and is (guaranteed) going to do (and Batman knows this).

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    In Detective Comics Annual #5, he saved the Joker not for his benefit, but for Jim Gordon's. He did this only because he knew the guilt would eat Jim alive for unleashing an Eclipso beast and thus he saved his foe. He did it again in "The Devil's Advocate" because even though the Joker was guilty of many other crimes, he was not guilty of the one that was going to get him the electric chair. And deep down, there's a part of him that doesn't believe any criminal should get the death penalty for a crime they didn't commit. Even depsite all the one's that he did commit before then. He revived the Joker with the Lazarus Pit in "The Demon Laughs" only to find out what he knew about Ra's al Ghul's plans. And Nightwing had beat the Joker to death, but then brought him back simply because he couldn't live with the guilt of killing in cold blood. When he failed to stop Blockbuster from being killed later on, Dick went into a nervous breakdown.

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    For the same reason that the Joker continues to fight batman. The challenge, Batman would feel incomplete without the joker. He needs to be batman and fight crime and for that to continue super villains especially the joker actually complete him. Just like in another thread mentioned about tdk when the joker said batman completes him it is the same the other way around.

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    Batman rescuscitated the Joker at the end of Last Laugh so Nightwing wouldn't have blood on his hands. As to the other times he's done it...couldn't tell ya.

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    Well He sees The Joker dying and he screams ''MY SALES!!!'' and he saves him. having to deal with the Joker is easier than having to deal with another astronomical drop on sales.

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    For the same reason that the Joker continues to fight batman. The challenge, Batman would feel incomplete without the joker. He needs to be batman and fight crime and for that to continue super villains especially the joker actually complete him. Just like in another thread mentioned about tdk when the joker said batman completes him it is the same the other way around.
    That works for the Joker but it dosen't work for Batman. It's one thing to mourn a lost foe but to keep him alive just for the thrill of the chase, when over two thousand men, women and children have died and his friend's life has been ruined is just psychopathic. It's not like Batman is the pinacle of mental health but he isn't that screwed up.

    The times he has saved the Joker has been mostly to avoid other people killing him, he has other times been more than conftarble to see him plunge into certain death. Batman wants to kill the Joker, I can't think of any serious encarnation of Batman that dosen't want to do so. But for whatever reason the writter decided at the moment he can't bring himself to do so.
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    I'm pretty sure the reason Batman has saved the Joker is because he doesn't want blood on anyone else's hands, and he feels like killing the Joker or letting someone kill him would make them no better than him, even though he's done so much over the years.
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    because he's an enabler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidocq View Post
    Well He sees The Joker dying and he screams ''MY SALES!!!'' and he saves him. having to deal with the Joker is easier than having to deal with another astronomical drop on sales.
    This actually was the explanation given in Sergio Aragones Destroys DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by []D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite View Post
    The discussion from this thread brought up a good point.

    http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=284186

    Not killing him is one thing, but why would Batman actually go out of his way to save the Joker's life? Especially given the things the Joker has done and is (guaranteed) going to do (and Batman knows this).
    Because he's human and he's alive.

    This is all the explanation anybody should ever need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dard View Post
    Because he's human and he's alive.

    This is all the explanation anybody should ever need.
    No -- it's not.

    Having said that, Mark Waid sort of summed up Bruce Wayne's character nicely in Kingdom Come when Kal-el was having one of his arguments with Bruce.

    He said when you scratch everything else away from Batman, what you're left with is someone who doesn't want to see anyone die. He'll work to save anyone, the Joker included.

    Though I think the Joker was also right when he observed that Wayne must have been traumatized as a child, because he reacted as a child would (Punisher/Batman); I think that goes beyond the gadgets, the toys and the attempt the force the world to make sense. I think it also applies to Wayne's absolutist stand on the taking of life.
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    Not killing him is one thing, but why would Batman actually go out of his way to save the Joker's life?
    Some might say that not going out your way to save someone's life is nearly the moral equivalent of killing someone. Which is why I kinda didn't care for the ending of Batman Begins.
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    Going out of your way to save the Joker's life is certainly the moral equivalent of killing a whole lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    Going out of your way to save the Joker's life is certainly the moral equivalent of killing a whole lot of people.
    Only if one is foolish enough to accept responsibility for someone else's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    Going out of your way to save the Joker's life is certainly the moral equivalent of killing a whole lot of people.
    In a comic book setting, where the villains are contractually obligated to come back all the time, sure.

    In a realistic setting, they'd keep him imprisoned and that'd be it.

    That's the problem with this situation: it basically demands Batman to become a Genre Savvy Fourth Wall Breaker to be *absolutely* sure Joker won't just stay imprisoned for good *this latest* time.

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