Hank Pym Appreciation

[XPac]

if it was then why has no one retconned the retcon?

They kind of retconned the retcon in the Crossing, when his breakdowns could be attributed to mind control (the universal get out of jail free card in comics).

But that retcon was retconned in Avengers Forever. So I guess we're back to square one.

[Frank]

if it was then why has no one retconned the retcon?

I'm working on it! I'm on the case. *just waiting for Marvel to let me write their books*

This is why I appreciate Kurt Busiek
(From something our friend Chuck Austen wrote about with Hawkeye saying:"That's why I stopped being Hank's friend the moment he slapped Jan". Well...not really):

Aside from this contradicting what's been shown in the comics, I've got to wonder if Hawkeye stopped being Jan's friend when she mutated into a bug creature and spent an issue and a half chasing Hank around the back yard trying to kill him while he was trapped at bug size.

I'm sure he wouldn't give her any consideration for not being in her right mind; once an abuser, always an abuser. No mitigating circumstances, no redemption.

Hawkeye doesn't believe in redemption, after all. It's why he never led the Thunderbolts, because they included people who'd hit and even tried to kill himself and his friends, and why he turned himself in for treason, espionage and attempted murder rather than accept membership on the Avengers. Or maybe that's different, since being hot for a sexy Russian babe is a better excuse for the repeated commission of capital crimes while in one's right mind than a major nervous breakdown is for overwrought behavior and a single and much-regretted error.

[XPac]

I'm working on it! I'm on the case. *just waiting for Marvel to let me write their books*

This is why I appreciate Kurt Busiek
(From something our friend Chuck Austen wrote about with Hawkeye saying:"That's why I stopped being Hank's friend the moment he slapped Jan". Well...not really):

The funny thing is that Busiek retconned the Crossing, which in my view gave Hank the biggest "out" as far as his wife slapping goes. They could have just blamed it all on Kang, and left it at that.

Not that I'm a fan of the mind control excuse... I personally am cool with retconning the Crossing. But it was right there if marvel really wanted it.

[Monty_Cristo]

I'm working on it! I'm on the case. *just waiting for Marvel to let me write their books*

This is why I appreciate Kurt Busiek
(From something our friend Chuck Austen wrote about with Hawkeye saying:"That's why I stopped being Hank's friend the moment he slapped Jan". Well...not really):

Hank didn't mutate into a bug and chase her around an issue. he gave her a black eye because she tried to stop him from making a fool of himself. i'm not seeing the comparison.

Hawkeye does believe in redemption. but he also ran away from home because his dad was an abuser.

[Guest_1001]

he beat up his wife. it wasn't by accident. he wasn't being mind-controlled. he didn't do it to snap her out of a 'Malice' persona. she didn't sneak up on him. Puppetmaster wasn't involved. Immortus wasn't involved. he wasn't in shock at what he had done. he just got fed up with her and belted her in the face. then he walked right into that court martial hearing and lied to all of his friends. it was sad and pathetic. it's a damn shame that Thor or Cap didn't avenge Jan, like in the Ultimate Universe.

Have you even read it? That's not what happened.

Hank was clearly having mental issues, since he was working in his lab for a long, long time without stopping, Jan came in by shrinking down and sneaking through a crack in the door, Hank -- still with mental issues -- reveals the big robot that he is building to attack the Avengers and he will shut down at the last minute to be a hero. Jan threatened to tell the Avengers and Hank slapped her.

Now I'm not defending Hank's actions. Any of them. But you're blatantly changing facts in order to support your own arguments.

see what i mean? you guys just close your ears and wonder why i close mine.

I went along with the fact that he screwed up and had issues and then corrected something you got wrong. Where exactly were my eyes closed? You're mistaking your opinion for fact, MC.

[Monty_Cristo]

Have you even read it? That's not what happened.

Hank was clearly having mental issues, since he was working in his lab for a long, long time without stopping,

he had to. an indestructible robot takes time to build.

Jan came in by shrinking down and sneaking through a crack in the door, Hank -- still with mental issues -- reveals the big robot that he is building to attack the Avengers and he will shut down at the last minute to be a hero. Jan threatened to tell the Avengers and Hank slapped her.

Now I'm not defending Hank's actions. Any of them. But you're blatantly changing facts in order to support your own arguments.

show me where i changed a fact? i said he got fed up with her and belted her in the face. that's what happened. she kept talking and he kept ignoring her until *whap*.

[mikekerr3]

no, you don't get it. you guys never get it. i've never started a "Pym's a wifebeater" thread. i only post in response to defense of him being a wifebeater. it's always the same. "Pym's such a great character. it's so unfair that writers keep bringing up him hitting Jan while he was having a mental breakdown. he only did it once. Why aren't Reed and Spiderman considered wifebeaters. he was having a mental breakdown." you guys haven't changed your tune. why should i? why not try something different; fully embrace that Hank beat Jan, admit that he's a screwed up individual, that he has a long way to go to gain redemption, but is still a great character w/ story potential? think you can manage that?

just imagine if i continually tried to excuse Ant-Man for running out on the mother of his child. it would get annoying. Eric's a dirtbag and a coward. he's also a pervert who doesn't respect women or the privacy of others. he's a habitual liar. he stabbed his best friend, a completely innocent guy, in the back. he has taken advantage of almost everyone he's come into contact with. i love him as a character. he's the kind of character that can go either way in any given situation. i appreciate the unpredictability; the contrast to the norm. see, it's not so hard. and as good of a guy that Dan Slott is, i don't think he has a clue about making Pym legitimate. all he's done so far is make Pym look good at the expense of his betters (Stark and Richards). he's attacking a non-existant problem. making Pym seem really really smart won't do jack about him having beaten up Jan. i'm just repeating what i said a year or so back but why not just show Hank donating time or money to an abuse shelter? show a flashback of him watching his dad beat his mom. enroll him in an anger management class. duhhh!

What have they done to about reed threatening Sue with a fist in the CW? She saw it as a threat and warned the putz off. If he would have hit t\her though it would have taken weeks to scrape him off the walls,

Hank hit his wife once in the middle of a nervous breakdown and people now have him down a a habitual wife beeter..

Stark is Pyms better? :rolleyes: At making money yes, betraying everything the Avengers stand for yes, at betrayal in general yes but as a man that's laughable.

Reed has figured out how badly he messed up so he gets some slack.

[Monty_Cristo]

What have they done to about reed threatening Sue with a fist in the CW? She saw it as a threat and warned the putz off. If he would have hit t\her though it would have taken weeks to scrape him off the walls,

i have no idea what you're talking about.

Hank hit his wife once in the middle of a nervous breakdown and people now have him down a a habitual wife beeter..

the "one time" was enough for me coupled with his verbal abuse of Jan.

[The Train]

I'm a Hank Pym fan. I voted for Goliath.

Now, I'm going to excuse myself before getting caught up in this argument.

[Will.S]

I liked the Yellowjacket identity the best but I do have a soft spot for Giant Man and Dr. Pym.

The Ant-Man identity as much as I thought it was cool didn't really feel like it was something he owned well, it would take Scott Lang to officially own it since he did much more with it and used the identity so well. In fact in certain ways Scott and the Ted Kord Blue Beetle have similarities in that regard.

The current Wasp identity has a great look and he seems to be making leaps and bounds in scientific progress more than ever before but calling him "The Wasp" still doesn't sound right (and perhaps never will).

[GHalecki]

i have no idea what you're talking about.



the "one time" was enough for me coupled with his verbal abuse of Jan.

So do you actually draw a line between two people having an occasional argument and so called "verbal abuse"?

[thog]

Some scans:



Later...





Clint then saves Hank's life by shooting an arrow into the barrel of the gun, killing Egghead accidentally.

[Will.S]

Some scans:



Later...





Clint then saves Hank's life by shooting an arrow into the barrel of the gun, killing Egghead accidentally.

Definitely among my favorite Hank Pym moments during Stern's pre-Buscema run.

I'm surprised your copies are in such pristine condition though, there's almost no trace of yellowing there.

[thog]

I'm surprised your copies are in such pristine condition though, there's almost no trace of yellowing there.

They are not in pristine condition. The scans have been through Photoshop, that’s all.

[Frank]

Hank didn't mutate into a bug and chase her around an issue. he gave her a black eye because she tried to stop him from making a fool of himself. i'm not seeing the comparison.

Hawkeye does believe in redemption. but he also ran away from home because his dad was an abuser.

Yet Hawkeye has never had a problem with Hank for 30 years. Until Chuck Austen wrote a few crappy dialogue because his mother is a feminist and she's brainwashed his brain for all his miserable life.