Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[mythog]

The last quote is actually Canemacar not mine but the comment about Lowe wanting to use him came from Carey's Facebook account.

Laura -- Does that mean another writer wants to use him as well or you are not sure if he will be showing up in other books. I guess it's the "I think" part that has me wondering.

Carey -- The "I think" comes from conversations I've had with Nick recently. I'm pretty sure he's got plans involving Gambit.

[Canemacar]

Interesting since the origins shot didn't really change my mind one way or the other on that since it was mainly recapping his history, albeit with a bit of a connecting character arc that previously wasn't there. Not great but I thought it wasn't bad.

I liked most of the Origins one-shot. It helped tie together the background of the character and establish an ongoing theme for the character. Unfortunately, Carey didn't really have the space he needed to really go into all the interesting details. I was especially hoping for some more about Gambit meeting Sinister for the first time and their unique relationship.

And his take kinda fits my image of Gambit: morally ambivalent, has a cold and calculating streak but underneath a romantic with a bit of a desire to redeem himself for some of the crap he pulled. Charming bastard with an 'inner good guy'. Seems on the spot to me. What exactly are your issues with Carey's characterization of him? Too nice? Just curious.

That sounds like a good description of the character, but my issue with Carey's Gambit is that he doesn't read anything like that to me. I haven't read anything that made me feel Gambit was walking a fine line between good and evil, that he was even remotely calculating and pragmatic, or even a very good thief.

Really? Everything I've read so far had Carey confirming Gambit will at least be a recurring presence in Legacy. Where'd you read this?

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

[Naira K]

It seemes that throughout Legacy Gambit was just... there. He had a few good lines, but that's all. It seemed like any other character could be put in his place. Perhaps Carey wasn't just that familiar with the character, but now that he explored Remy's life in the Origins story, perhaps his Gambit will be more personalized. However, MC Gambit was really a good character - perhaps he just needs an independent line in the arc, like he did in MC? What I like about Carey's writing, however, is that Gambit is kind and caring, especially when it comes to Rogue. I'd loke to see some meanness, too. Like towards Cyclops.

[Shaid O Gray]

I liked most of the Origins one-shot. It helped tie together the background of the character and establish an ongoing theme for the character. Unfortunately, Carey didn't really have the space he needed to really go into all the interesting details. I was especially hoping for some more about Gambit meeting Sinister for the first time and their unique relationship.

Agreed. I'm sure Carey would've preferred a mini series too. I suppose we should be happy he got the one-shot.

That sounds like a good description of the character, but my issue with Carey's Gambit is that he doesn't read anything like that to me. I haven't read anything that made me feel Gambit was walking a fine line between good and evil, that he was even remotely calculating and pragmatic, or even a very good thief.

Funny, I was happy someone's finally writing him like my description again. I see your points in some ways, but I feel that was mostly the problem of Carey having to cram so much into one flimsy issue.

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

No I don't think it's a bad thing either. The new set-up for Legacy: Rogue monitoring/mentoring/whatever troubled mutant teens while she doesn't really want the job could be an interesting dynamic for her. But Gambit as a regular in there would result in two things I don't want to see:
1-Same as the previous Legacy stories, there wouldn't be all that much to do for him other that be Rogue's assistant and say some emotionally supportive things to her every now and then, and
2-It would come awfully close to domesticating Gambit again. And he's one character that shoudn't be domesticated.

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

Of course my happiness with that possible scenario still also rests with whatever Lowe has planned and how he'll be writing Gambit.

It seemes that throughout Legacy Gambit was just... there. He had a few good lines, but that's all. It seemed like any other character could be put in his place. Perhaps Carey wasn't just that familiar with the character, but now that he explored Remy's life in the Origins story, perhaps his Gambit will be more personalized. However, MC Gambit was really a good character - perhaps he just needs an independent line in the arc, like he did in MC? What I like about Carey's writing, however, is that Gambit is kind and caring, especially when it comes to Rogue. I'd loke to see some meanness, too. Like towards Cyclops

Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

[Naira K]

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

Do you mean a supporting character? Aw I think he can be pretty much leading character. Why does someone like Cyclops (oh sorry my Cyclops hate button is on) should get all the panel time? And I used to love Emma, kinda still do, but she is just EVERYWHERE. Why not bring in new, fresh leaders? Or at least give them bigger roles? I actually think Gambit'd be dang good in X-Factor. And we all know he is a great mentor to to the kids. AHEMFOXXAHEMDIRTYMOVIEAHEMBLINGAHEM.

Can you please remind me what Nick Lowe wrote before?

Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

Now that you've mentioned it... If Gambit and Mystique (!!!) didn't get the baby, who knows what would have happened. See? This is what I want to see, Gambit being the center of event not as a spectator, but as a major link in the plot.

[CrimsonComedian]

Kitsch was a terrible Gambit.

[Shaid O Gray]

Do you mean a supporting character? Aw I think he can be pretty much leading character.

Okay, but we know he won't. Carey said the focus of Legacy will be Rogue. My point was that Gambit could then easily get stuck in the same modus he'sbeen in in the last few Legacy arcs. Stories that are not really about him but in which he's shoved in anyway. Resulting in nothing much for him to do. Besides, he's a free spirit and I don't like him in the 'settled teacher' role all that much.

Why does someone like Cyclops (oh sorry my Cyclops hate button is on) should get all the panel time? And I used to love Emma, kinda still do, but she is just EVERYWHERE. Why not bring in new, fresh leaders? Or at least give them bigger roles? I actually think Gambit'd be dang good in X-Factor. And we all know he is a great mentor to to the kids. AHEMFOXXAHEMDIRTYMOVIEAHEMBLINGAHEM

I never said Cyclops should get screentime. Not even sure Cyclops will feature all that much in Legacy actually. And aren't Cyke and Emma basically just in Uncanny? And Astonishing, but that one barely even counts anymore.

.Can you please remind me what Nick Lowe wrote before?

Sorry, i said it wrong in my last post. Nick Lowe's an editor, actually. I meant how Gambit will be written under Lowe's supposed plans. (whatever they are and whichever writer it will be)

Now that you've mentioned it... If Gambit and Mystique (!!!) didn't get the baby, who knows what would have happened. See? This is what I want to see, Gambit being the center of event not as a spectator, but as a major link in the plot.

And not just that. Gambit saved Cable's life, making sure he'd escape, as well as tipping him off about what was going on with the 'minute before dawn' line. (Which I felt could've been explained a little better. I assume Gambit just paid attention to Sinister's findings and knew Cable would get it, but it would've been nice if that'd been made clearer) Gambit also sneakily destroyed the diaries right before Sinister could get them, saved the baby from Bishop and planned to kill Sinister with Mystique. At the end he was the one to give the baby to Xavier, and thereby to the X-Men.

And the X-Men should be aware of most of that. So I'm curious to see if all he gets is 'traitor!' when he shows up.

[Naira K]

I never said Cyclops should get screentime. Not even sure Cyclops will feature all that much in Legacy actually. And aren't Cyke and Emma basically just in Uncanny? And Astonishing, but that one barely even counts anymore.

And the X-Men should be aware of most of that. So I'm curious to see if all he gets is 'traitor!' when he shows up.

I know you didn't. I just feel that those two are getting waaaaaay too much unneeded screentime in whatever verse they pop in, especially Cyclops. Emma wasn't in first three movies and X-men Evolution. And she's not one of the original X-men. But Cyclops is and been incredibly annoying since day one... ooops, getting off the topic *hate button off*.

[Canemacar]

Funny, I was happy someone's finally writing him like my description again. I see your points in some ways, but I feel that was mostly the problem of Carey having to cram so much into one flimsy issue.

Oh, I was talking more about Legacy than the one-shot but while we're on the subject, I did like how Carey established Gambit's bitterness over his divorce and exile as a factor in why he became such a remorseless criminal up until the Massacre. Adds a more human touch to the character.

No I don't think it's a bad thing either. The new set-up for Legacy: Rogue monitoring/mentoring/whatever troubled mutant teens while she doesn't really want the job could be an interesting dynamic for her. But Gambit as a regular in there would result in two things I don't want to see:
1-Same as the previous Legacy stories, there wouldn't be all that much to do for him other that be Rogue's assistant and say some emotionally supportive things to her every now and then, and 2-It would come awfully close to domesticating Gambit again. And he's one character that shoudn't be domesticated.

I agree with that. Part of what I didn't like about Milligan's run(aside from everything else) was how Gambit was playing school teacher to a bunch of kids. It just doesn't work very well, IMO. It can be fun for an issue or two, like in the Layman solo, but any more and it bogs things down. Just look at Wolverine; he had a few heart-warming moments with Kitty back in the day, but now it's like every (Asian)teen girl in the place is contractually obligated to be his side-kick.

I hope he stays a bit on the outs with the X-Men, and pops up in Legacy every now and then. He needs to be the cool outsider again, and that way any scenes with him and Rogue they would want to do could have some cool tension again or be 'forbidden' or flirty and won't eat up either character's whole existence.

I'd like him to pointed not rejoin the team, but occasionally get hired to help them out with a mission or just for some cloak&dagger stuff. I bet you'd probably like the idea of him handing Cyke a massive bill for his services at the end of an issue.

Got to disagree on the rogue front though. I don't want to see anymore romantic tension between them again, period. It's a relationship thats been dead for years; it lost any resonance with most readers years ago. Just let it rest in peace.

Well, we may see that last bit soon. I'm curious. I doubt they'll go into it much, but I've always wondered whether the X-Men realize how much Gambit actually helped them during MC.

I wouldn't expect so. I man, if Rogue couldn't let it go despite it being done entirely for her, I don't see the X-men being any more forgiving. The situation's got potiential, though, so it's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Foon4000]

Kitsch was a terrible Gambit.

Who cares? He's hot.

[.LuckyStar.]

Who cares? He's hot.

I agree.
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[Red Lotus]

It wasn't a single, announcement, but I've noticed Carey's description of Gambit's role getting more and more modest in the last few interviews. A while back the word was he was a definite member of the cast. Then he was described as a recurring guest character. Now it's being said he will appear "once in a while".

While there haven't been any definite statements, it's clear Carey isn't planning to have him around as much, or as often, as previously indicated. I am interested in seeing what Lowe's got planned, so I'm not too sad about Remy's lessened role in Legacy.

It was more Carey saying that Gambit would have more then a supporting role to once in a while. But yeah that told you that what ever he wanted to do with Gambit had changed.

The Lowe thing I dont know how to take that. The last time an editor had plans for Gambit he ended up getting blinded.

[That JonoGuy]

this is my favorite picture of Gambit, even if it's Land.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...mbit_super.jpg

I had a feeling that was the image you would link to. For me, my favorite Gambit images are any that are drawn by Steve Skroce.

[PSINGRAPHD]

First, lemme just say... I friggin' LOVE Gambit!!!!!!! Remy's the man! Second, I think if he does end up being initially playable in MUA2, this will be a major boon in returning him to prominence. Lastly, what do you all think of his depiction in W&tXM? I thought it was pretty damn good, tho I would have preferred to see him in A LOT more episodes. Would maybe like to see him do something a lil' more heroic in the second season also, like join the X-Men begrudgingly. Would like some follow-up to his faux romance with Polaris as well.

Concerning comics Gambit, I think he should return to his womanizing ways and play the field. I love Rogue too, but let the two of them grow as characters apart from each other for a while, they need to breathe on their own. Remy recurring in Legacy is fine, but I wouldn't mind him gettin' some serious facetime elsewhere. I don't no where or doing what, but hopefully Marvel's got some plans for him besides what Carey has in mind. Gambit's been wasted and sidelined for WAY too long now. We fans want the Ragin' Cajun back & better than ever!

[xfire]

I also wanted to show my love and support for Gambit, cool dude!