Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[Foon4000]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Mike Carey has taken Rogue a long way and I am committed to finishing the journey. It's what I want to do. But around #275 or so, that will likely reach its culmination. Until then, though, it's a Rogue-centric book. If you want Gambit more self-directed and dynamic, there's ASTONISHING and his upcoming solo book"

That's if it makes it to 275, which I'm doubting right now. I was ready for a fresh start with Gage but it's more of the same and I can't be bothered to read it anymore, and I won't be picking it up again anytime soon unless something major changes. This book is getting close to 50% of the readership it had 18 months ago- the direction after AOX chased around half of the readers away and they didn't come back with the new creative team.

[Canemacar]

That's if it makes it to 275, which I'm doubting right now. I was ready for a fresh start with Gage but it's more of the same and I can't be bothered to read it anymore, and I won't be picking it up again anytime soon unless something major changes. This book is getting close to 50% of the readership it had 18 months ago- the direction after AOX chased around half of the readers away and they didn't come back with the new creative team.

Use the money saved to buy an extra copy of Gambit's ongoing.

[Askia32]

He was written poorly in one issue, with Gage admitting not knowing much about the character. Gambit not getting enough focus =/= written poorly.

Gambit not being the focus has nothing to do with it at all. I have no idea where you're getting that from.

The way Gambit is portrayed in Legacy is so far out of character that I'm surprised that he's called Remy.

[Gemmy]

Downloadable content. Content you can download for your games which usually cost $$$

Okay, thanks.

[Zoks]

I'd say he's been written poorly in every issue except Gage's first. Liu managed to write a good take on Gambit with him filling a supportive role to a female main character, same as in Legacy. There he had wit, charisma, an established life outside of his support role, self-agency, and managed to kick a lot of ass in his fight with Daken. In Legacy he's....charged Legion's cape, which proved to be utterly meaningless.

I suppose then what everyone else did in that issue was utterly meaningless, as they couldn't take Exodus down until Hope and her team showed up and they all teamed up together. Was he written poorly when he pointed out to Rogue it was pointless to whine about it and just let Hope and her team help? Because that seems in character for a guy who teamed up with Jubilee against the Shi'ar in Uncanny X-men #276. Or is it him showing concern for Rogue when he teamed up with Mystique and Sinister just to try to save her? Let's face facts. This book is not in Gambit's element. They're at a school, and the problems they've dealt with so far are not in Gambit's area of expertise. There is nothing he can do by himself about Exodus or Weapon Omega. This is why Gage is telling Gambit fans they are not going to find the development or the scenarios they want for Gambit in his book. It's going to be about Rogue dealing with her crap, with Gambit being there. Gage is getting a lot of unfair slack since he is picking up where Mike Carey left off. I don't recall everyone complaining about Gischler's Gambit, who was down right horrible.

[timeismoney]

Well Gambit is going to have his ass kicked when Cap get done with him, anyway can't wait for the book Clay Mann that's all i need to hear.

[red eyes]

For those that missed it, here's the links to the previews of the books Gambit will be in on Wednesday:

Astonishing X-Men #49: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12139

X-Men Legacy #265: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12153

[Canemacar]

I suppose then what everyone else did in that issue was utterly meaningless, as they couldn't take Exodus down until Hope and her team showed up and they all teamed up together.

The thing is, Gage billed that as Gambit's shining moment in the arc. Instead of getting any character development or engaging interactions with the other characters, he got to hit the bad guy once before fading out and being wallpaper for the rest of the issue.

Was he written poorly when he pointed out to Rogue it was pointless to whine about it and just let Hope and her team help? Because that seems in character for a guy who teamed up with Jubilee against the Shi'ar in Uncanny X-men #276.

Honestly, that line could have come from anyone and not made a bit of difference. Like Rachel, he was only there to give generic lines for Rogue's character to react to.

Or is it him showing concern for Rogue when he teamed up with Mystique and Sinister just to try to save her?

I'd say thats exactly the problem people are having. He's doing exactly the same thing he did at the start of Carey's run 5 years ago despite Rogue and everyone else having moved on and grown and changed as characters. Frankly, I'm sick of Gambit showing concern for Rogue. He should see if Mephistopheles accepts common-law marraiges.

Let's face facts. This book is not in Gambit's element. They're at a school, and the problems they've dealt with so far are not in Gambit's area of expertise. There is nothing he can do by himself about Exodus or Weapon Omega. This is why Gage is telling Gambit fans they are not going to find the development or the scenarios they want for Gambit in his book. It's going to be about Rogue dealing with her crap, with Gambit being there. Gage is getting a lot of unfair slack since he is picking up where Mike Carey left off. I don't recall everyone complaining about Gischler's Gambit, who was down right horrible.

Liu made Gambit look good in a book dealing with her crap? And she's using the fact that Gambit is entirely out of place at a school as a springboard for character development in Astonishing. Fact is, theres nothing actually stopping Gage from writing a decent Gambit with the current status quo, even without shifting the books focus and direction away from Rogue. He just doesn't care to and people have a legit reason for not liking that.

And yes, people criticized Gischler's Gambit, but most were relieved because it was better than Carey's stuff.

For those that missed it, here's the links to the previews of the books Gambit will be in on Wednesday:

Astonishing X-Men #49: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12139

X-Men Legacy #265: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...eview&id=12153

Here's three extra preview pages.

http://perkyposts.blogspot.co.uk/

Iceman laying down the law.

[Zoks]

Liu is writing her characters away from the school. Three of them aren't even members of the JGSFHL. On the other hand, Rogue has been billed lately as one of the X-men good with the younger ones, and the entire reason she joined Wolverine was for the kids sake, so we're going to get stuck with stories with them at the school. And the those lines would not have been as effective on Wolverine and Rogue had it not been coming from Gambit. Carey had established him as one of the voices of reason in Legacy, so it makes sense for him to say it. Your complaint about the fight scene doesn't make that much sense. Immediately after Gambit blew his cape up, Logan recognized the opportunity for them to gang up on him before Exodus wised up and took Rachel out. And at the end of the issue that followed, Gambit was the only one with any balls to call Wolverine out for chewing Rogue out like that, despite every single one of them apparently thinking Wolverine was a jerk. I think the problem here is people are confusing under-utilized for poorly written.

[Canemacar]

Liu is writing her characters away from the school. Three of them aren't even members of the JGSFHL. On the other hand, Rogue has been billed lately as one of the X-men good with the younger ones, and the entire reason she joined Wolverine was for the kids sake, so we're going to get stuck with stories with them at the school.

They don't have to leave the school for Gambit to be developed as a character uncomfortable with being a role-model. In fact, it would be hard not to in that setting. It's just a matter of how much effort Gage is willing to put in for his non-Rogue cast members.

And the those lines would not have been as effective on Wolverine and Rogue had it not been coming from Gambit. Carey had established him as one of the voices of reason in Legacy, so it makes sense for him to say it.

Characterizing Gambit as the voice of reason is mis-characterizing Gambit. There isn't anyone in Legacy less suited to being the voice of reason than the implusive, rebellious, duplicitous, self-destructive, anti-authoritarian, kleptomaniacal, career criminal. What's funny is that Gambit has actually been quoted as saying "You know things are bad whem I'm de voice of reason."

Your complaint about the fight scene doesn't make that much sense. Immediately after Gambit blew his cape up, Logan recognized the opportunity for them to gang up on him before Exodus wised up and took Rachel out.

That has nothing to do with Gambit's actions. It was just time to advance the plot; there was no cause and effect between

And at the end of the issue that followed, Gambit was the only one with any balls to call Wolverine out for chewing Rogue out like that, despite every single one of them apparently thinking Wolverine was a jerk. I think the problem here is people are confusing under-utilized for poorly written.

Eh. It wasn't really a case of Gambit manning up. Just him rushing to her defense with with an uninterested Rogue telling him to STFU, same as has happened in Carey's run.

[Zoks]

But Legacy never has been a book that is about developing a bunch of characters. It started off focusing on Xavier, then it went to Rogue. It's likely after 275 it'll just switch characters instead of becoming another typical team book. I don't think Gambit is ever going to get any development in this book, simply because there is another book with him having a larger role and an upcoming solo. Any development from Gage will be stepping on the feet of Liu and Asmus. We don't want a repeat of Carey vs. Liu where Liu couldn't use Deathbit, and then Remender vs. Carey, where Carey lost his control over Deathbit. And Rogue was not "uninterested", she was upset with herself. She wasn't telling him to STFU, she was martyring herself.

[Juggs]

But Legacy never has been a book that is about developing a bunch of characters. It started off focusing on Xavier, then it went to Rogue. It's likely after 275 it'll just switch characters instead of becoming another typical team book. I don't think Gambit is ever going to get any development in this book, simply because there is another book with him having a larger role and an upcoming solo. Any development from Gage will be stepping on the feet of Liu and Asmus. We don't want a repeat of Carey vs. Liu where Liu couldn't use Deathbit, and then Remender vs. Carey, where Carey lost his control over Deathbit. And Rogue was not "uninterested", she was upset with herself. She wasn't telling him to STFU, she was martyring herself.

I find that hard to believe she was martyring herself.

[Moonshine]

Characterizing Gambit as the voice of reason is mis-characterizing Gambit. There isn't anyone in Legacy less suited to being the voice of reason than the implusive, rebellious, duplicitous, self-destructive, anti-authoritarian, kleptomaniacal, career criminal. What's funny is that Gambit has actually been quoted as saying "You know things are bad whem I'm de voice of reason."

That was Gambit being self-depreciatiating due to his guilt and fear of not being wanted not because it was true. Frankly, such simplistic "sounds like he's a ten year old" characterization of Gambit is exactly what I am sick of. Poor Gambit, he can't help but be a mess up/messed up. (sudders at all the bad fan fic like this - if that is what we get from Asmus run I will scream - being a thief who lets off some steam by doing what he is good at is one thing. Being a total mess up for himself and everyone else is not what I want to read. I'm sick of Gambit always being on the outside and never getting to be the hero of the story. Yes he's a thief but he is not the typical anti-hero. He does help people because hes knows its right and does so self-lessly. He just didn't and doesn't go out to find an "injustice" and play hero as he doesn't see himself as one as his skill is to steal. Given an issue though, he will help).

It's the same sad characterization that's kept throwing him in a being a "traitor" because heaven forbid a smart and capable guy like Gambit show up some of the leaders now and then like he did when he joined by being reasonable. Just because Gambit is not a simplistic team player does not make him impulsive or unreasonably rebellious and completely anything but disruptive and unhelpful (re see his original Shiar space saga with the X-men to see anything but stupid and implusive Gambit - heck he figured out something was up better than the X-Men without knowing anything about Xavier at all). Yes i would expect Gambit to have issues being a role model and teacher as he doesn't think his life is much to shine a light on but being uncomfortable is different from being useless. If anything, the X-23 stint and little Storm, should show that he does have something to give, its just got the channeled properly. I'll give it to Gage for having Gambit point out that his time with X-23 showed him something about that which is why he's staying and should stay, If Wolverine can be a teacher and Emma Frost is hailed as someone absurdedly devoted to teaching, Gambit cartainly has as much to teach as she does.

More, whille I don't agree with you that Gambit can't show concern for Rogue in a crisis given he's more than the better man for it, I do agree that its happens a bit too much given she's not showed much for him. He needs to be more than just support for Rogue and her issues to make Legacy more rounded. This goes for everyone on the team. Why can't he and Cannonball talk? Gambit can understand family friction like with Husk. How about Rachel and Husk talking? Rachel and Chamber about teaching. Frenzy is the one that gets to me. I still have no clue why she's at the school except she's too woosy to stay on Utopia with Cyke around. Her calling anyone a whimp after that is just laughable. Maybe she and Mimic can talk if he stays.

I'd say thats exactly the problem people are having. He's doing exactly the same thing he did at the start of Carey's run 5 years ago despite Rogue and everyone else having moved on and grown and changed as characters.

They have? Rogue is taken steps backward and I'd hardly call where Cannonball, Husk. and Rachel are right now compared to many times in the past growth or moving on. Last we saw Cannonball and Husk were acting like children over AoX much like Rogue. Interestingly at least Gage is trying to have them talk to one another finally.

I find that hard to believe she was martyring herself.

If this was Carey's Rogue I would agree with you. She never accepted responsibility for her actions, but this is Gage's Rogue, she does actually seem to understand how other people can feel the way they do and that she has some responsibility for what she does - even if she was partially right about calling for help.

[Gemmy]

Not a good showing for Remy in either book this week. Especially XML.

[red eyes]

Not a good showing for Remy in either book this week. Especially XML.

I agree. Gambit was probably used more in Legacy more this week, but i disliked (his protrayal) the most, too much emo.

Not so bothered with Astonishing, it's a team book so the focus has to move around since he was in it quite a bit in the first issue, hopefully it gets past this Northstar/Kyle stuff, i find them kinda dull.