Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[Juggs]

Man i just can't wait for this to come out....just getting excited and i kind of like Bachalo's art. Better than his interiors.

[Moonshine]

I really think you're overreacting. It's pretty obvious that Asmus likes Gambit. Why would his objective be to make him look stupid?

Yet Carey loved Rogue but made her look cold and aloof and like she'd forgotten her own life. I'm not saying he dislikes the Gambit. I like what he's doingfor the most part here but there seems to be this impression that Gambit has survived all these years by basically being lucky (ie he's great at improvising not at planning) not smart. I hate that belief. Improvising is planning on the fly so planning prior should be important too. He's suppose to be a great thief. Half of that is the planning in advance and he should be good at both. He should enjoy the planning. This does not mean he's a long term planner of his life or how he's going to deal other things but yes he should be top notch at casing and planning a job. I don't mind him hitting a snag. I expect him to hit a snag that truly was unforseeable not a snag I could have easily suspected. Maybe the female thief to be following along and use him as her diversion - something he could not have known. I see this as something he darn well should know if he knew all that other security setup. As i said, I just hoping for this to be Marvel picking something misleading.

Anyhow, even the most competent people make mistakes and get stuck sometimes. And I'm sure that even the most masterful thieves hits snags on the job once in a while. Such is life. It's how they overcome the obstacle that shows off their skill. Just my two cents.

I disagree. If you are always having to overcome obsticles that you should have foreseen and planned for, your skill is crap. Its one thing to overcome stuff that you couldn't have foreseen - ie someone new mucking things up but part of the security system? That's just poor skill IMHO. Yes people make mistakes but again, my goodness its his own book and we've been getting near incompetent or useless Gambit for mostly five years now, is it so honestly so much to ask that we can actually see a really competent Gambit for the first issue of his own book?

Look, I get the its so great he's finally getting used and his own book. That everyone is just so thrilled and loves that finally he's getting some spotlight. I am too. I just want it to be something that impresses other writers to want to use/write him too in years to come and showing he'sjust that good at what he does is part of that. I do not think you show he's just that good by making what would be a really half assed mistake. Like I said. I'm just assuming it a perfect fake out moment cliff hanger for the preview because I do believe hopefully that Asmus wouldn't be writting him as that unprepared when he was so prepared seconds before.

Also are any of you guys not a little miffed the Gambit book is not getting a MARVEL NOW push? Heck its coming out just before, couldn't it have been sold under the banner somehow?

[remydat]

Yet Carey loved Rogue but made her look cold and aloof and like she'd forgotten her own life. I'm not saying he dislikes the Gambit. I like what he's doingfor the most part here but there seems to be this impression that Gambit has survived all these years by basically being lucky (ie he's great at improvising not at planning) not smart. I hate that belief. Improvising is planning on the fly so planning prior should be important too. He's suppose to be a great thief. Half of that is the planning in advance and he should be good at both. He should enjoy the planning. This does not mean he's a long term planner of his life or how he's going to deal other things but yes he should be top notch at casing and planning a job. I don't mind him hitting a snag. I expect him to hit a snag that truly was unforseeable not a snag I could have easily suspected. Maybe the female thief to be following along and use him as her diversion - something he could not have known. I see this as something he darn well should know if he knew all that other security setup. As i said, I just hoping for this to be Marvel picking something misleading.



I disagree. If you are always having to overcome obsticles that you should have foreseen and planned for, your skill is crap. Its one thing to overcome stuff that you couldn't have foreseen - ie someone new mucking things up but part of the security system? That's just poor skill IMHO. Yes people make mistakes but again, my goodness its his own book and we've been getting near incompetent or useless Gambit for mostly five years now, is it so honestly so much to ask that we can actually see a really competent Gambit for the first issue of his own book?

Look, I get the its so great he's finally getting used and his own book. That everyone is just so thrilled and loves that finally he's getting some spotlight. I am too. I just want it to be something that impresses other writers to want to use/write him too in years to come and showing he'sjust that good at what he does is part of that. I do not think you show he's just that good by making what would be a really half assed mistake. Like I said. I'm just assuming it a perfect fake out moment cliff hanger for the preview because I do believe hopefully that Asmus wouldn't be writting him as that unprepared when he was so prepared seconds before.

Also are any of you guys not a little miffed the Gambit book is not getting a MARVEL NOW push? Heck its coming out just before, couldn't it have been sold under the banner somehow?

Again, I don't think I have ever seen a security system in any thief caper or real life that requires all four of those things simulataneously. That is why it is meant to be funny. A password is something we would all think about because we encounter fairly rudimentary security systems in our daily lives. However, if you have a high tech security system with voice recognition, fingerprint and retinal scanning, a password is not something you would expect as it would be considered redundant. You have those other 3 high tech security options precisely because they are considered more secure and thus make having a password obsolete.

So no, I don't think it is a half-assed mistake at all. Gambit is not breaking into some wall safe in some old lady's home. However or whoever he got his info from probably was not aware that a password was required because why would it be with all that other security? If whoever hired him knew all the details of the security system they could have easily hired someone less accomplished, less high profile, and cheaper than Gambit. They probably hired him precisely because the caper had a lot of unknowns so they needed a guy who could not only deal with the unexpected but likely has the reputation of being able to thrive in such a situation. You are assuming that a thief must always has perfect knowledge of the security system. I think the point here is that Gambit doesn't need to know all the details because he can improvise.

[katie_girl09]

Yet Carey loved Rogue but made her look cold and aloof and like she'd forgotten her own life.

That isn't the point. We are talking about the writer's intentions. Even though people haven't reacted well to everything Carey has done with Rogue, I'm sure that making her unlikeable for those people was never his intention. I mean, why would he purposefully make her look unlikeable? He loves her to pieces.

I view Asmus the same way (although I don't think anyone can be as in love with a character as Carey is with Rogue...). Even if he is writing Gambit as not knowing the verbal password, that doesn't mean his intention is to make him look stupid. And yes, intent matters. Because intent determines context and directly influences how any action, line, etc. is viewed by a reader. For Carey, his intention clearly wasn't enough to influence how some people view Rogue's actions, but who is to say that Asmus will be the same way with Gambit? Why don't you relax and give him the benefit of the doubt?

I'm not saying he dislikes the Gambit. I like what he's doingfor the most part here but there seems to be this impression that Gambit has survived all these years by basically being lucky (ie he's great at improvising not at planning) not smart.

Don't you have to be smart to be able to improvise properly? In fact, I would argue that successful improvisation says far more about a person's innate intelligence than pre-planning does. Like the issue where Gambit took the spike to the leg. He didn't plan that. He couldn't have. But he used it to his advantage by improvising. And it showed his intelligence better than any amount of planning could have. Additionally, it shows that Gambit being an improviser isn't anything new or recent at all.

I hate that belief. Improvising is planning on the fly so planning prior should be important too. He's suppose to be a great thief. Half of that is the planning in advance and he should be good at both.

Saying that he doesn't plan ahead isn't the same as saying he wouldn't be good at planning ahead if he did. Maybe he gets some of his thrill from the unknown?

Also, he obviously planned for the handprint, retinal scan and voice identification. I think these all show that while he is highly capable of planning, he just might not want to plan everything all the time. The fact that he is still a master thief in spite of the implied lack of planning just shows (imo) how good he really is.

He should enjoy the planning.

Who says? Maybe he doesn't. I'm sure not all master thieves have the same method.

This does not mean he's a long term planner of his life or how he's going to deal other things but yes he should be top notch at casing and planning a job.

Again, he might be. But who's to say that he wants to do all that? I don't think we really know a whole lot about the context of this job.

I don't mind him hitting a snag. I expect him to hit a snag that truly was unforseeable not a snag I could have easily suspected. Maybe the female thief to be following along and use him as her diversion - something he could not have known. I see this as something he darn well should know if he knew all that other security setup.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I've never seen a security system like that before even in movies and on TV. So I can forgive someone overlooking something so oddly simple in the midst of all of those complicated gadgets.

As i said, I just hoping for this to be Marvel picking something misleading.

That's possible. But until I actually get to read the book, I'm not going to be doom and gloom about it either.

I disagree. If you are always having to overcome obsticles that you should have foreseen and planned for, your skill is crap.

Always? We've seen one panel, for goodness sakes.

Yes people make mistakes but again, my goodness its his own book and we've been getting near incompetent or useless Gambit for mostly five years now, is it so honestly so much to ask that we can actually see a really competent Gambit for the first issue of his own book?

Smoothly getting the guy's handprint, getting his voice recorded, getting a scan of his eyes and creating a successful diversion to get access to a secret chamber behind a holographic wall is all thrown out the window because he may or may not have neglected to get the password? In spite of the fact that he admits himself to being rusty? Okay.

I really think you're projecting your distaste for other people's Gambit onto this book. And if you do that, every little blip is going to look ten times worse and overblown.

I'm not sure that it is a competent Gambit that you are wanting to see so much as a perfect one, tbh.

Look, I get the its so great he's finally getting used and his own book. That everyone is just so thrilled and loves that finally he's getting some spotlight. I am too. I just want it to be something that impresses other writers to want to use/write him too in years to come and showing he'sjust that good at what he does is part of that. I do not think you show he's just that good by making what would be a really half assed mistake.

He doesn't have to be perfect to get writers to want to use him. He just has to be built up as a strong and engaging character again.

Also are any of you guys not a little miffed the Gambit book is not getting a MARVEL NOW push? Heck its coming out just before, couldn't it have been sold under the banner somehow?

I'm actually more annoyed at their having to be told by a fan to release the variant image.

[Wiggles]

come on guys, the whole password thing, I think y'all are reading in to this way too much, it's probably a pretty insignificant detail don't ya think?

[Neko]

come on guys, the whole password thing, I think y'all are reading in to this way too much, it's probably a pretty insignificant detail don't ya think?

I agree. Its like looking for something wrong with the book. And the fact is, it adds to the suspense of what could happen. I don't want a boring heist. I want to see what trouble Gambit gets into and how he gets out of it. It doesn't mean he's incompetent or anything. Sheesh, its not JD Salinger, Mark Twain or Shakespeare - its a comic book. Enjoy it for what it actually is.

[katie_girl09]

come on guys, the whole password thing, I think y'all are reading in to this way too much, it's probably a pretty insignificant detail don't ya think?

Agreed. I don't think it's a big deal either. Seriously, it is just a funny joke. It shouldn't be taken to mean that he is going to be an incompetent boob or something.

[Foon4000]

come on guys, the whole password thing, I think y'all are reading in to this way too much, it's probably a pretty insignificant detail don't ya think?

Yes. Besides, I don't want a perfect Gambit- that would be B.O.R.I.N.G.

[remydat]

I agree. Its like looking for something wrong with the book. And the fact is, it adds to the suspense of what could happen. I don't want a boring heist. I want to see what trouble Gambit gets into and how he gets out of it. It doesn't mean he's incompetent or anything. Sheesh, its not JD Salinger, Mark Twain or Shakespeare - its a comic book. Enjoy it for what it actually is.

Not to mention Gambit says on the previous page. "Now I know I been outta the thieving trade for a little while . . . but when did locks get this complicated." At worst it is probably showing that Gambit is a little rusty. More likely it is showing that Gambit prepared for what he expected to be the complicated aspects of the system but didn't think such a complicated system would have such a simple password requirement.

[Juggs]

Not to mention Gambit says on the previous page. "Now I know I been outta the thieving trade for a little while . . . but when did locks get this complicated." At worst it is probably showing that Gambit is a little rusty. More likely it is showing that Gambit prepared for what he expected to be the complicated aspects of the system but didn't think such a complicated system would have such a simple password requirement.

That's what i like it's showing that Gambit is getting back into the game, and we can all agree we having seen Gambit do anything thieving wise for a long time and i guess he is pointing that out. In which is a good thing see Gambit back into his original element. It's very refreshing to see and read just that.

[Juggs]

And also a few more days left till the first book comes out.

[halla]

And also a few more days left till the first book comes out.

The prospect is making me feel like a teenage girl.

I have all of these feels, guys.

[booraven]

The prospect is making me feel like a teenage girl.

I have all of these feels, guys.

Same here. I feel so optimistic and so excited that it's quite unnatural.

[Moonshine]

We saw Gambit thieving in his last solo and I don't buy that after Messiah complex when Gambit was not with the X-Men after Rogue went off to be on her own, that Gambit wasn't thieving then. That wasn't that long ago Marvel time. This seems to imply that Gambit quit which I don't ever recall it ever being hinted at him seriously doing. He's stealing for practice or whatever reason in Astonishing on the side as CeCe noted, and I'm sure he was stealing some on the side when he and Rogue were off together. Rogue knew he was off doing things on the side in his first series as well. I feel like its trying to make out Gambit quit stealing while being an X-Man and that the X-Men thought he did as well which I don't think the facts support, but we'll see if it becomes some bigger issue down the line. I don't see how he could be that rusty but as long as he gets himself out of it himself and not with someone else''s help (unless he planned it) then I'm ok with it. And its not that I want him to be perfect so I wish people would quit accusing me of that. I just don't want him to be stupid and having to get out of messes because of stupid mistakes. Mistakes can be made without them being dumb or fairly simple ones. There will be plenty of less foreseeable ones I'mhoping so it makes Gambit's escapes and planning on the fly all the more impressive.

I really love Gambit's light hearted quips. Love seeing Gambit not acting like he's sweating it and making jokes.

That's all I'll say as I really can't wait until this comes out. I'm buying two copies in hopes of being really happy with it overall.

[Neko]

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