Le Diable Blanc: Amour et Appréciation de Gambit

[red eyes]

Meh they both got drunk and got laid, dosen't really matter to me tbh. Same goes for CeCe we know nothing yet.

Anyways what do you guys think of the possible Cap America/Gambit team up?

[Moonshine]

Anyways what do you guys think of the possible Cap America/Gambit team up?

Please please let this happen. Gambit so needs to be around all the MU.

[red eyes]

Please please let this happen. Gambit so needs to be around all the MU.

I know, it will increase his profile at least, just like the AVX teasers.

He also just said on the Avengers boards - "Gambit is a favorite of mine. He's definitely on the list."

[Don Quixote]

It would take an issue to fix it, if Marvel wanted to do so.

They had Rogue and Gambit get back together after she left him to die in Antarctica by retconning it so that it was Gambit condemning himself. Banging Magneto seems less severe to me.

They've already established that Rogue is acting under the influence of Legacy's mind to some degree - though that makes no sense, since Legacy and Gambit were obviously attracted to each other, and Magneto essentially used her for his purposes. Anyway, they could play up the fact that she hasn't been in her right mind; they could have her come back to her senses, and realize with horror who/what she's done. She apologizes and explains to Gambit; he accepts, perhaps with some reluctance. They decide to take it a day at a time, since that worked well for them before.

For bonus points, they could draw some sort of parallel to Death's possession of Gambit.

A better and more elegant treatment would take a few issues and additional nuance, but they could do it in one without doing great violence to either character.

So Rogue gets let off the hook again? She wasn't in her right mind, again?

No thanks. She made her bed with an old man, and now she should lie in it. Gambit can make his with any number of hot mutant/super-powered women and have some honest to god fun, and be a character in his own right, instead of an adjunct of her and her drama.

I'm really stoked to see Gambit get some development away from Romy, for the first time since his solo book, and I'd hate to see him tied to her again.

He and Rogue can be friends, if the writers ever manage to sort out the mess that is her character, but that should be as far as it goes. Though with the way she's currently written, it seems unlikely that she'd be anything but resentful if Gambit did move on and find someone else.

Anyways what do you guys think of the possible Cap America/Gambit team up?

This would be great. I recall Gambit teaming up with the Avengers briefly in the Onslaught story, when they went to find Rogue (of course), and while there wasn't a huge amount to go in, it was an interesting look at him feeling even more of an outsider, with a team of mainstream heroes like Captain America and Iron Man.

If Gage and Liu play up Gambit's greyer areas in their books, then seeing him interact with Captain America would be a great juxtaposition. I can see Cap being disapproving but respectful of Gambits shady character and any shenanigans he might get up to. Meanwhile, Gambit usually seems contemptuous of that sort of true blue authority figure, but people just can't help liking Cap.

[halla]

So Rogue gets let off the hook again? She wasn't in her right mind, again?

No thanks. She made her bed with an old man, and now she should lie in it. Gambit can make his with any number of hot mutant/super-powered women and have some honest to god fun, and be a character in his own right, instead of an adjunct of her and her drama.

I'm really stoked to see Gambit get some development away from Romy, for the first time since his solo book, and I'd hate to see him tied to her again.

He and Rogue can be friends, if the writers ever manage to sort out the mess that is her character, but that should be as far as it goes. Though with the way she's currently written, it seems unlikely that she'd be anything but resentful if Gambit did move on and find someone else.

Oh, I agree with the sentiment that both characters should be single at the moment, in order to give them some room to be defined as individuals. I don't want either of them in serious relationships, with each other or with anyone else. I think Marvel, in general, has put too much emphasis on their romance at the expense of developing them as characters. Rogue suffered from it in the 90s, and Gambit in more recent years. As a Gambit fan, I'm glad that he's going to be in a book without her for precisely that reason.

My whole point was that it wouldn't take a reboot of the entire universe to get them back together if Marvel wanted to do so. It would mean letting Rogue off the hook again, but I think that Carey's laid enough groundwork to do so without it being a total, awkward retcon.

I also don't think that their relationship necessarily means the death of their individual characterisation. I was on a nostalgia kick yesterday, and reread all of X-Treme X-Men. (I was at home sick, which tends to put me in the mood to lie on the couch and read all the comics.) It made me remember why I liked Romy so much at one point, but, more importantly, it reminded me that it is possible for characters to be in a relationship that doesn't involve angst and doesn't consume their whole lives. Despite living and sleeping together, Gambit and Rogue had lives outside each other; they had plot arcs that had nothing to do with each other, and that allowed them to show off their skills and have fun and be their own people. If that was what their relationship would be all the time, I'd be all for it.

I miss Claremont. I miss how warm and human the books were under his pen.

Anyways what do you guys think of the possible Cap America/Gambit team up?

I think that they would be an amusing odd pair, like Gambit and Bishop: the straight-laced, All American hero and the cajun thief. I would enjoy it. :)

[Moonshine]

My whole point was that it wouldn't take a reboot of the entire universe to get them back together if Marvel wanted to do so. It would mean letting Rogue off the hook again, but I think that Carey's laid enough groundwork to do so without it being a total, awkward retcon.

And you don't have to "let Rogue off the hook". She needs some guilt and imperfection after Carey's last two years as it was her that decided to keep memories for what I thought was a really pathetic reason - promises to people who don't exist is mind-numbing. She's also been "walking on water" with the other characters way way too much. Rogue is sort of due for a fall and hitting rock bottom herself and getting a renassiance to establish what exactly her actual morals and standards are. She's been so wishy washy and contridictatory that I don't know what she'd actually choose in a given situation and that makes her unrelatable. Why Frenzy is praising her I just don't get. All Rogue's done is use Frenzy's power over and over. I guess letting her "on the team" and let her have use but Xavier really did that.

I also don't think that their relationship necessarily means the death of their individual characterisation.

Well right now it does but yes it does not have to, but I think it is more just she treated him bad so I hate her thing. That's fine. If this was real life I would agree but hey its comics. It happens all the time especially when it was so obvious there was some serious favoritism going on. Rogue got the short end in the 90s to an extent so what goes around comes around. The sad or funny part is that she always comes out looking worse when they try to have her dump on him. I hate Magneto and don't think he's good enough for Rogue but it has a lot more to do with just how he's treated just her. What Magneto did to Rogue in the past is the least of the reasons I dislike the character. I disliked him when he was a "good guy" the first time long back before when he ignored Rogue until he saw her helpless, gushing over him, and in rags.

I've liked Gambit since his first issues and was the same about Rogue long before but I have disliked both of them (or their handling) at times too so it evens out.

I miss Claremont. I miss how warm and human the books were under his pen.

I know. Gage does seem to have a much better handle on that than what we had before. Breaking Gambit and Rogue up was not the problem. It should have been done the minute they returned to Utopia and had one last wild night and agreed to part so Rogue could figure out her new control. It was Rogue coming off like a person living in a self involved bubble with everyone circling around her that made it so horrific. It bordered on being inhuman.

[Askia32]

Meh they both got drunk and got laid, dosen't really matter to me tbh. Same goes for CeCe we know nothing yet.

Anyways what do you guys think of the possible Cap America/Gambit team up?

I have no idea about any of this. Can you send me a link so I can read up on it please?

[Askia32]

Regarding Gambit and Rogue, I could see them coming back to each other later after they have lived without each other for awhile. Both just need a good break doing their own thing, than could eventually fall for each other again. Granted, this is if Rogue is written better than she has been.

The most important thing I believe, is for Gambit to be Gambit again. But, not just as the cajun that can easily fall into background, but the guy who can step up and be the key guy in a team. Remy is an amazing character, and if showcased as such, his fanbase will grow to him being an A-lister once again. The more people that support and buy Gambit comics, the more love he will get from Marvel.

[timeismoney]

As cool as Gambit is Marvel just have their picks right now when it comes to X characters and IMO. I think the one thing that hurt Gambit over the years, is the relationship thing they let that define his character rather than let him be a kickass ladies man. I feel that hurt his him as a badass.

[red eyes]

As cool as Gambit is Marvel just have their picks right now when it comes to X characters

Gambits in a good position right now, he's one of the more used X-Men, so IMO i think he's doing just fine.

I have no idea about any of this. Can you send me a link so I can read up on it please?

Which one?

Gambit/Frenzy kissed in Legacy 260.1, maybe more.

The writer of "Captain America and....." wants Gambit to guest star.

[Askia32]

Gambits in a good position right now, he's one of the more used X-Men, so IMO i think he's doing just fine.



Which one?

Gambit/Frenzy kissed in Legacy 260.1, maybe more.

The writer of "Captain America and....." wants Gambit to guest star.

This one. I have always been curious about a Cap and Gam interaction.

[Askia32]

As cool as Gambit is Marvel just have their picks right now when it comes to X characters and IMO. I think the one thing that hurt Gambit over the years, is the relationship thing they let that define his character rather than let him be a kickass ladies man. I feel that hurt his him as a badass.

I don't think so. I think Gambit is so much more than just a ladies man. What has been hurting Gambit is just bad writing across the board. The only writer of late that has written him well was Liu. But even than, every time there was some type of fight, Remy would get injured. Sometimes it really seems like she enjoys a wounded cajun.

[red eyes]

This one. I have always been curious about a Cap and Gam interaction.

It does sound like a good idea.

His twitter : http://twitter.com/cullenbunn

"That's definitely one that's on my list. Writing Gambit is high on my list of priorities."

And here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com...&postcount=102

[Askia32]

It does sound like a good idea.

His twitter : http://twitter.com/cullenbunn

"That's definitely one that's on my list. Writing Gambit is high on my list of priorities."

And here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com...&postcount=102

Sweet, thanks man.

[Canemacar]

It does sound like a good idea.

His twitter : http://twitter.com/cullenbunn

"That's definitely one that's on my list. Writing Gambit is high on my list of priorities."

And here: http://forums.comicbookresources.com...&postcount=102

That should be fun. I can see Gambit being cynical about Cap's All-American soldier-boy image, but coming to respect him for his genuine sense of morality and his refusal to walk over the little guy "for the greater good"