CBR: IRON PATRIOTISM: Ares, Moonstone & Captain Marvel

[CBR News]

With "Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia" on sale now, CBR concludes IRON PATRIOTISM with one final chat with Matt Fraction, this time about Ares, Captain Marvel and Moonstone.


Full article here.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

Stupid. Moonstone as the loyal dog of the group? Bah, Ellis' take was much more interesting, with Karla actively sabotaging Norman at every turn while bungling spectacularly as field leader.

*sigh*

None of these guys seem to realize Thunderbolts worked so well because the team sucked in fights and was always on the precipice of a huge, spectacular meltdown.

[Somebody]

...has Matt Fraction read any comic involving Moonstone? EVER?

[scouse mouse]

Stupid. Moonstone as the loyal dog of the group? Bah, Ellis' take was much more interesting, with Karla actively sabotaging Norman at every turn while bungling spectacularly as field leader.

...has Matt Fraction read any comic involving Moonstone? EVER?

I just read the article and had to come and post the same thing! Who the Hell is Fraction talking about because it clearly is not Moonstone! She is not a suck up; she craves power for herself! She is a devious, manipulative user of people full of malicious confidence! Between Bendis writing her as window dressing and now this Karla is suffering rather than thriving in the new direction!

[Sighphi]

None of the characters mentioned, cept maybe Ares, are being written in character.

[Joe Franklin]

None of the characters mentioned, cept maybe Ares, are being written in character.

People constantly evolve in life, so it looks like Fraction is starting the evolution of several characters.

[AnthonyJ]

Actually, Moonstone is a suck-up, it's just that she's also dishonest and treacherous.

[Gitaroo_Dude]

People constantly evolve in life, so it looks like Fraction is starting the evolution of several characters.

It's not evolution, it's just him writing Moonstone the way he wants to.

Now, in principle I'd be a hypocrite to say he's writing her out of character. I'm pretty sure Ellis wasn't entirely faithful to her old stories.

But I do think Ellis had a better take on the character and the way she operates in the field.

[Sighphi]

People constantly evolve in life, so it looks like Fraction is starting the evolution of several characters.

The characterizations being talked about are devolutions of the characters not evolution.

[SayOcean]

Yeah i never got that Moonstone was a suck up, I read the thunderbolts when it came out and when she was in osborns thunderbolts and iver never seen her as this cliche lonely woman matt is describing

[Corey W]

I haven't read Thunderbolts (ever). In fact, I haven't read a comic with Moonstone in it in 20 years. But, I remember her as a devious suck up. That sounds right to me.

[Janissa]

It sounds like from Matt Fraction's interview that he's never read Warren Ellis seminal Thunderbolts run AND that he got all his information about Moonstone directly from Bendis. Because, the way Fraction erroneously described Moonstone is EXACTLY HOW Bendis is writing her.

Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts is the best that title had ever been. Now that Bendis is in charge all those great characters have fallen into a creative black-hole.

I really can't believe "people" keep buying Bendis' crap. He's single-handedly RUINED the entire Marvel Universe on a creative level. Unfortunately, "people" keep on buying his "stuff".

[AnthonyJ]

It sounds like from Matt Fraction's interview that he's never read Warren Ellis seminal Thunderbolts run.

Correction: never read any part of Thunderbolts. Ellis tweaked Moonstone's personality, but not in any way relevant to this discussion. She has a long history as 'treacherous second-in-command'. She is perfectly willing to be a suck-up (hence the second-in-command part), it's just loyalty that's entirely foreign to her nature.

[Janissa]

I just read the all of "Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia" and Chad Nevett is essentially right. There is very little story here stretched to the breaking point to "justify" the $4 price tag.

I didn't like the characterizations of Emma Frost nor that of Moonstone.

Marvel Comics is going downhill FAST.

I'm really disappointed in Matt Fraction - his writing is usually so good. I'm not going to use the "H word" but he's getting there FAST.

[Magneto Rocks]

I really like Fraction, I've loved his X-Men, and I rarely disagree outright with anything he says.

That said, the idea of what he described as Moonstone is utterly, totally alien to me. It's a bit satggering that a HUGE chunk of Marvel's current status quo is based off the Ellis run which Fraction has apparantly not even read... because the idea of Moonstone sucking up WITHOUT her own ulterior motive?

Ellis made her one of my favourite Marvel characters, but I haven't seen that Karla in a long time.