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    Default It was necessary for Spider-Man to be married for one story to work

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    List me some more that require a marriage and not a commited girlfriend.... please no easily explained away stuff.


    Amazing Spider-Man #302-303. Peter is offered a job in Kansas that he seriously considers taking, but decides not to due to his marriage to MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Amazing Spider-Man #302-303. Peter is offered a job in Kansas that he seriously considers taking, but decides not to due to his marriage to MJ.
    and why cant that be his commited girlfriend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaggyB View Post
    and why cant that be his commited girlfriend?

    Peter specifically cited the marriage as the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Peter specifically cited the marriage as the reason.
    Is it inconceivable for Peter to make the same decision (that he wants to go back to Grad School so he could get a good job in New York) if he wasn't married?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets
    Is it inconceivable for Peter to make the same decision (that he wants to go back to Grad School so he could get a good job in New York) if he wasn't married?
    Sure, possibly. But it is also conceivable that Peter would make the same decisions he made in this past year or so if he was still married (taking a Paparazzi job, trying to find a more steady position, quitting the Bugle over principal, stepping up his role as Spider-Man, ect).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Peter specifically cited the marriage as the reason.
    I think you are missing what im trying to ask when i made the list..... Im asking for stories where in the change of married to in a commited relationship changes the story fundamentally. You are telling me that PEter decides not to take a job because of his wife... how is because of his relationship with mj not the same?

    Im asking for clear cut there is no tweak that makes it work without changing the fundamentals of the story.

    IE the honeymoon trip.... Its a gift for them getting married. For it to work it has to be a gift for her deciding to move in with him.... that sounds dumb so it must be something they won.... now thats a different story. These are things im asking for, not times where he decides to not do something because hes married.... those are things where he can decide not to do something because hes in a committed long term relationship.

    So how is your example one in which he has to be married for it to work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDMacQ View Post
    Sure, possibly. But it is also conceivable that Peter would make the same decisions he made in this past year or so if he was still married (taking a Paparazzi job, trying to find a more steady position, quitting the Bugle over principal, stepping up his role as Spider-Man, ect).
    Going speed-dating, moving in with Vin, flirting with and considering dating Carlie, and, of course, MJ would be dating Bobby Carr even she and Pete were still married.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Is it inconceivable for Peter to make the same decision (that he wants to go back to Grad School so he could get a good job in New York) if he wasn't married?
    Perhaps not -- but we only have what's one the page to go with, according to some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Is it inconceivable for Peter to make the same decision (that he wants to go back to Grad School so he could get a good job in New York) if he wasn't married?
    Hard to say. He seriously considered taking the job, though, and only decided not to because he was married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaggyB View Post
    I think you are missing what im trying to ask when i made the list..... Im asking for stories where in the change of married to in a commited relationship changes the story fundamentally. You are telling me that PEter decides not to take a job because of his wife... how is because of his relationship with mj not the same?


    Im asking for clear cut there is no tweak that makes it work without changing the fundamentals of the story.

    IE the honeymoon trip.... Its a gift for them getting married. For it to work it has to be a gift for her deciding to move in with him.... that sounds dumb so it must be something they won.... now thats a different story. These are things im asking for, not times where he decides to not do something because hes married.... those are things where he can decide not to do something because hes in a committed long term relationship.

    So how is your example one in which he has to be married for it to work?

    Peter specifically says it's because he's now married and isn't just responsible for himself as the reason to not take the job. That's not the same as having a live-in girlfriend. If he and MJ were just dating, they could have taken a break or tried a long-distance relationship to see how it would work out. It's not the same as being married. It was a major plot point, since Peter was debating what to do the entire issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Peter specifically says it's because he's now married and isn't just responsible for himself as the reason to not take the job. That's not the same as having a live-in girlfriend. If he and MJ were just dating, they could have taken a break or tried a long-distance relationship to see how it would work out. It's not the same as being married. It was a major plot point, since Peter was debating what to do the entire issue.
    And he could easily have come to the same conclusion thinking about being together with MJ, shortly after they chose not to get married. Or he could have decided Spider-Man was needed more in New York than in Kansas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Peter specifically says it's because he's now married and isn't just responsible for himself as the reason to not take the job. That's not the same as having a live-in girlfriend. If he and MJ were just dating, they could have taken a break or tried a long-distance relationship to see how it would work out. It's not the same as being married. It was a major plot point, since Peter was debating what to do the entire issue.
    So you are trying to say that he cant say "now that i live with mary jane im not just responsible for myself anymore"? How doesnt that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    And he could easily have come to the same conclusion thinking about being together with MJ, shortly after they chose not to get married. Or he could have decided Spider-Man was needed more in New York than in Kansas.
    That's never something he debates in the issue, though. The only thing he thinks about is how he'll be taking MJ away from where she wants to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaggyB View Post
    So you are trying to say that he cant say "now that i live with mary jane im not just responsible for myself anymore"? How doesnt that work?
    Yes, because it's not the same as being married. Marriage is a binding union, you're responsible for your significant other as well as yourself. Any major decision that will change their lives has to be considered by both parties. In Peter's mind, he realized he had to think of MJ and what it took her away from. With a girlfriend, it's not a big deal to split up for a while to see how it'll work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ĐМ View Post
    Yes, because it's not the same as being married. Marriage is a binding union, you're responsible for your significant other as well as yourself. Any major decision that will change their lives has to be considered by both parties. In Peter's mind, he realized he had to think of MJ and what it took her away from. With a girlfriend, it's not a big deal to split up for a while to see how it'll work out.
    Thats not what im asking for, thats easily switched to a newly committed relationship. In fact they would have just moved in together. Why after making that step would he move to a new job in a new state?

    What im asking for is plot points that arent easily switched. Again, The Honeymoon. The trip was given to them as a marriage gift.... how does that work now? Did they win a trip? Why would they get a vacation for moving in together?

    Decisions he makes because hes married are easily switched to because hes in a committed relationship

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