Deadliest Warrior

[Tien Long]

The match ups in season 3 sucked! They were just boring and what made Season 1 the best of them all were the weapons expert who actually talked. They stripped it all away for stupid boring segments with Mack repeating himself over and over and over. Honestly I could not stand Mack. If they would had kept it exactly like Season 1 and just tell us that they have a new better simulation then this show would of lasted forever. Then if people still cried and complained about strategies then they could put up clips of it on their website. It would be interesting to see what warrior match up from past seasons would have been on season 3. I believe Sun Tzu would of slaughtered Vlad while William the Conqueror would have crushed Joan on any of the previous season.

I think Season 3 started alright. I liked the addition of the Ph. D's and scholars, because they really offered genuine insight into the battle strategies and history of the fighters. Indeed, my favorite episode of Season 3 is Washington vs. Napolean specifically because of Prof. Wayne Lee. This expert had real insight into Washington's methods of waging warfare, and more importantly, actually could wield the weapons effectively. Prof. Lee's use of the Pennslyvania Long Rifle was amazing and ranks up there with some of my faforite weapons demonstrations.

As the series progressed, however, the show started to be less about what the experts had to say and more of what the hosts had to say. Leo is right, Mac just seemed to say the same things over and over again. He was very enthusiastic (and, from the Nick Hughes interview on the Deadliest Podcast, someone who the military experts talked to alot) but repetitive nonetheless. The Hernan Cortes/Ivan the Terrible and Rangers/North Koreans match, aside from an observation here and there, had very little perspective from the scholars. I was actually miffed that they didin't talk too much about the training regimement of the Rangers.

Spartan vs Rajput.

Short sword vs Khanda. This obviously goes to the Khanda for being much longer and is really self explanatory. The short sword stands no chance what so ever.

Spear vs Aara. Even though we saw that Aara actually slice the face of one of the dummies off they still gave it zero kills which would be the same result here even though the Aara would trip the Spartan just like he did to the Roman. The spear wins it hands down though for the Spartan.

Chakram vs Javelin. Even. The Javelin will just be blocked by the Rajput shield and the Chakram will out score it.

Shield vs Katar. Even. Of course they will be quick to tel us that the shield could be used as an offensive weapon bu the Katar would go straight through the Spartan chest plate which would be impressive enough to call it even.

Just like the Roman vs Rajput, the Rajput would win this just the same way. Its basically the same exact match. Just Spartans are older than the Romans.

I have to disagree with you there. The Spartan's bronze chestplate was strong as hell and was able to withstand the kurisigama blade very well. I think that the Katar would be unable to penetrate it. That's the difference between this match and the Rajput/Centurion match, since the Centurion was using the chainmail to protect his torso. I think the Spartan actually has this.

okay, Pirate vs. ming warrior

Pirate
Blunderbuss
Flintlock Pistol
Grenado
Cutlass
Boarding Axe

Ming Warrior
Nest of Bees
3 Barrel Pole Gun
Mechanical Landmine
Dao

Blunderbuss vs. Nest of Bees - One is only accurate at short range, while the other has long range capabilities but is very inaccurate. I would go with blunderbuss. Nest of Bees may miss a shot, but with the Blunderbuss, as long as I'm within range, I will hit you.

Flintlock vs. 3 Barrel Pole Gun - 3 Barrel Pole Gun all the way. More shots and a further distance

Grenado vs. Mechanical Landmine - Mechanical Landmine. That thing had multiple explosions as well as used the same principle of shrapnel as the Grenado.

Cutlass vs. Dao - Edge to the Dao. Both cut those pigs very well, but the Dao could chop and stab. Could the Cutlass do that? Probably, but we never saw it used that way.

Boarding Ax vs. ?????? - No weapon to compare here, so it goes to the Boarding Axe.

I think the Ming Warrior takes it. The main reason he couldn't beat the Musketeer was because of the Musketeer's armor. Without that, Pirate is finished,

[IssunBoshi]

I'm not so sure about that.

yeah i concur here. The spartan's bronze armor is much more durable than the centurion's chainmail. Hey had given the centurion a lorica segmantata (steel plate armor), then the centurion would have won or at least made the fight far closer. And not to mention the Spartan Shield alone is going to almost guarantee the rajput's loss.

[IssunBoshi]

and Tien Long, i believe you didn't reply to my last post. sorry about that, but I always like hearing your responses to my posts, it makes me feel consoled and wise a bit.

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I think Season 3 started alright. I liked the addition of the Ph. D's and scholars, because they really offered genuine insight into the battle strategies and history of the fighters. Indeed, my favorite episode of Season 3 is Washington vs. Napolean specifically because of Prof. Wayne Lee. This expert had real insight into Washington's methods of waging warfare, and more importantly, actually could wield the weapons effectively. Prof. Lee's use of the Pennslyvania Long Rifle was amazing and ranks up there with some of my faforite weapons demonstrations.

As the series progressed, however, the show started to be less about what the experts had to say and more of what the hosts had to say. Leo is right, Mac just seemed to say the same things over and over again. He was very enthusiastic (and, from the Nick Hughes interview on the Deadliest Podcast, someone who the military experts talked to alot) but repetitive nonetheless. The Hernan Cortes/Ivan the Terrible and Rangers/North Koreans match, aside from an observation here and there, had very little perspective from the scholars. I was actually miffed that they didin't talk too much about the training regimement of the Rangers.



I have to disagree with you there. The Spartan's bronze chestplate was strong as hell and was able to withstand the kurisigama blade very well. I think that the Katar would be unable to penetrate it. That's the difference between this match and the Rajput/Centurion match, since the Centurion was using the chainmail to protect his torso. I think the Spartan actually has this.



Pirate
Blunderbuss
Flintlock Pistol
Grenado
Cutlass
Boarding Axe

Ming Warrior
Nest of Bees
3 Barrel Pole Gun
Mechanical Landmine
Dao

Blunderbuss vs. Nest of Bees - One is only accurate at short range, while the other has long range capabilities but is very inaccurate. I would go with blunderbuss. Nest of Bees may miss a shot, but with the Blunderbuss, as long as I'm within range, I will hit you.

Flintlock vs. 3 Barrel Pole Gun - 3 Barrel Pole Gun all the way. More shots and a further distance

Grenado vs. Mechanical Landmine - Mechanical Landmine. That thing had multiple explosions as well as used the same principle of shrapnel as the Grenado.

Cutlass vs. Dao - Edge to the Dao. Both cut those pigs very well, but the Dao could chop and stab. Could the Cutlass do that? Probably, but we never saw it used that way.

Boarding Ax vs. ?????? - No weapon to compare here, so it goes to the Boarding Axe.

I think the Ming Warrior takes it. The main reason he couldn't beat the Musketeer was because of the Musketeer's armor. Without that, Pirate is finished,

okay, Musketeer, vlad the impaler

[leothelion]

Good point on the Rajput vs Spartan match up. Does anybody take any Martial Arts in real life? I take Escrima and Kempo karate which I love both so I would be an island type warrior. GO CELT! WHich were my ancestors as well.

Kilij
Halberg
Steel Crossbow
Hand cannon

vs

Rapier and Main Gauche
Wheel lock pistol
Flintlock Musket
Grenade

Kilj vs Rapier and main gauche. This one is tuff the Kilij defiantly has the length advantage but the Rapier and main gauche were designed to counter and use a lot of feinting attacks which Vlad just may fall for though the Kilij is a lot heavier and more than likely would break that fencing sword. My heart says the Rapier if the Musketeer manages to keep his distance and counter but I don't know if he will be able to under the sheer brutality of Vlad. So the edge would be Kilij.

Wheel lock pistol vs Halberg this obviously goes to the Wheel lock I mean it is self explanatory though I'm not so sure if it could get through Vlads armor but I will still give it the edge though the Halberg will get tons of kills as well so don't knock it obviously.

Flintlock vs Steel Crossbow. Obviously goes to the Flintlock though its gonna be brung up that it could jam but then again that only happened once during testing I believe while the Steel Crossbow takes forever to reload and I don't see it getting through the breast plate of the musketeer. So Flintlock takes the edge here.

Grenade vs Hand cannon. I'm going with the Grenade since it is obviously a grenade even though it took forever to go off a grenade is still a grenade no matter how you see it and the Hand cannon is not getting through the breastplate.

I think this fight would be very close but the Musketeer will edge out the win due to his long range capabilities and his breastplate. Though it would be super close due to the Halberg and Kilij.

[leothelion]

You guys are making me want to do youtube videos on these match ups your posting.... hmmmm.....

[IssunBoshi]

I wish tien long was respond to my post already.

[leothelion]

http://youtu.be/Aw3j1mkB-E0 My hair was messed up due to the work out... did the Vlad vs Musketeer one and any other suggestions I will do as well.

[Tien Long]

Yeah right now, it would have been nice to see a Roman victory on Deadliest Warrior. Though I talked with Matt Lasky himself on facebook and he told me that Rome has already won many times history and told me who cares what a spike-produced tv shows says.

I've echoed Matt's sentiments before on this thread. Regardless if the Romans, Aztecs, Chinese, Mongols, or whoever loses, that shouldn't detract from the fact that these warriors were magnificent in their own rights. That shouldn't take away from the achievements or reputation of ancient civilizations or historical figures.

If they seriously always considered the latter, then this is where my respect for the entire human species drops. Though granted CascadeSoldier said that the mongol should have lost, cause it was one-on-one.

Are you referring to my comment that more real world factors should be considered? Taking in to account more factors would help in making a more accurate assessment.

I wish tien long was respond to my post already.

I am very busy at work. I don't have much time to post here. Moreover, as I truly consider what I want to say in my posts, I take a long time to give a response. At other times, though I do read what others have to say, I don't have an opinion on those things.

I would appreciate more understanding and patience next time, Issun, and not posts like the one above.

Good point on the Rajput vs Spartan match up. Does anybody take any Martial Arts in real life? I take Escrima and Kempo karate which I love both so I would be an island type warrior. GO CELT! WHich were my ancestors as well.

Kilij
Halberg
Steel Crossbow
Hand cannon

vs

Rapier and Main Gauche
Wheel lock pistol
Flintlock Musket
Grenade

Kilj vs Rapier and main gauche. This one is tuff the Kilij defiantly has the length advantage but the Rapier and main gauche were designed to counter and use a lot of feinting attacks which Vlad just may fall for though the Kilij is a lot heavier and more than likely would break that fencing sword. My heart says the Rapier if the Musketeer manages to keep his distance and counter but I don't know if he will be able to under the sheer brutality of Vlad. So the edge would be Kilij.

Wheel lock pistol vs Halberg this obviously goes to the Wheel lock I mean it is self explanatory though I'm not so sure if it could get through Vlads armor but I will still give it the edge though the Halberg will get tons of kills as well so don't knock it obviously.

Flintlock vs Steel Crossbow. Obviously goes to the Flintlock though its gonna be brung up that it could jam but then again that only happened once during testing I believe while the Steel Crossbow takes forever to reload and I don't see it getting through the breast plate of the musketeer. So Flintlock takes the edge here.

Grenade vs Hand cannon. I'm going with the Grenade since it is obviously a grenade even though it took forever to go off a grenade is still a grenade no matter how you see it and the Hand cannon is not getting through the breastplate.

I think this fight would be very close but the Musketeer will edge out the win due to his long range capabilities and his breastplate. Though it would be super close due to the Halberg and Kilij.

I don't think the kilij would beat the rapier and main gauche combo. The dao, which is a good chopper like the kilij, did not score well against the rapier and main gauche in terms of kills. I think the rapier and main gauche take this one.

As for a new match, how about Celt vs. Zande?

[IssunBoshi]

^ yeah just a heads-up, tien long, i will be reading your pm next time and i will be responding to them in your profile, since pm space is too stuffed.

[IssunBoshi]

Spartan vs. Genghis Khan.

who wins?

and it's interesting that I can name many losing warriors that can beat the winning ones that have starred in all three seasons of the show.

[IssunBoshi]

well its my last day of class and i have to say... a year without Deadliest Warriors seems both sad AND relieving at the same time. You may not get any new action (except for the feature length movie in development) from your favorite historical warriors, but at least you don't have to worry about seeing the ones you love most lose anymore, which saves you a lot of disappointment and bullshit.

[leothelion]

Genghis Khan would stomp all over the Spartan.

Short sword
Spear
Javalin
Shield

vs

Turko-Mongol Saber
Jida Lance
Recurve Bow

Steel Lamellar
Steel Helmet
Steel

Short range.. is no question the Saber stomps all over the puny Short Sword. No contest goes to the Saber.
Medium range. Spear vs Jida Lance. Both are two different purposes but the Spear is not touching Kahns armor. Well going through it.
Javelin vs Recurve bow. The bow for obvious reasons. The Bow also had armor piercing arrows if you remember right.

Khan armor over the shield. None of the Spartan weapons will damage Khan. It will be just like the Hannibal episode. Though Genghis stomps.

[IssunBoshi]

Genghis Khan would stomp all over the Spartan.

Short sword
Spear
Javalin
Shield

vs

Turko-Mongol Saber
Jida Lance
Recurve Bow

Steel Lamellar
Steel Helmet
Steel

Short range.. is no question the Saber stomps all over the puny Short Sword. No contest goes to the Saber.
Medium range. Spear vs Jida Lance. Both are two different purposes but the Spear is not touching Kahns armor. Well going through it.
Javelin vs Recurve bow. The bow for obvious reasons. The Bow also had armor piercing arrows if you remember right.

Khan armor over the shield. None of the Spartan weapons will damage Khan. It will be just like the Hannibal episode. Though Genghis stomps.

Poor Spartan.

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william wallace vs. joan of arc