Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[yanapryde]

We're doomed y'all.

AvX is total garbage. Every X-Man is being slighted, left and right.
The Versus issue was garbage. Illyana is probably going to have mutant ADHD and Widow will get in some lucky sucker punch before she can 'port out.

So.
Pissed.
Off.

[krisis]

Off the topic of AvX, are the minis X-Men: Black Sun and X-Men: Magik from 1999-2000ish both in continuity? I have read conflicting reports.

[yanapryde]

Amanda Sefton is a poser.
That's all I've got.

[Havok83]

Illyana isnt seen in todays UXM but she does communicate with Scott via a text bubble. Somehow she manages to tell him that Piotr has fallen. I dont know how the heck she would know that considering she is in Limbo fighting Strange. She's not even seen near her brother

[BlackJack]

I love how Illyana is playing along with Cyclops and pretending to be a prisoner. She can clearly get past his little devices, she's just choosing not to. Or at the very least, she's electing to go back to this confined arrangment - after all, once she's in Limbo successfully I don't see how anything could force her back or destroy her against her will.

One of my biggest gripes with Illyana is that it's been often stated (usually by CC in early NM issues) that whoever ruled Limbo basically controlled reality there - there will was law. During Magik's time as sovereign of Limbo she has often talked a big game about being the boss but then has some usurper disprove her "absolute power" theory.

Suffice to say I really really will not be happy if Magik jobs to Dr Strange IN LIMBO of all places during this event. As for the Darkchylde persona - Whether its smoke and mirrors or an indication of some continued corruption within Illyana, I see no continuity foul.

[sunofdarkchild]

If Illyana were to lose to Strange I think she'd be out for the rest of the event, and for once they're not doing that to her during a crossover. So I say Strange is going down.

[Havok83]

If Illyana were to lose to Strange I think she'd be out for the rest of the event, and for once they're not doing that to her during a crossover. So I say Strange is going down.

thats the only thing I got from her today. I cant see her communicating and doing recon for Scott if she had lost that fight. Strange would make sure she was incapacitated

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Illyana isnt seen in todays UXM but she does communicate with Scott via a text bubble. Somehow she manages to tell him that Piotr has fallen. I dont know how the heck she would know that considering she is in Limbo fighting Strange. She's not even seen near her brother

It's a continuity error. Magik is just a minor character from AvsX #2 while she's a core character from UXN and will have some hard focus in UXN during the AvX tie-in. Another continuity error is Magma and Sunspot shouldn't still be in Utopia from AvsX #2 since they already moved in to an apartment along with the new mutants.

As for the Darkchylde persona - Whether its smoke and mirrors or an indication of some continued corruption within Illyana, I see no continuity foul.

Magik has come out the other side of her Darkchilde persona as a result of regaining most of her soul (remainder of her soul which are the bloodstones) and is kind of like a "sponsor" for Colossus. In other words, helping him come to grips with his dark side.

Seems to me Jason Aaron didn't got the memo of Magik's new status quo.

[Havok83]

It's a continuity error. Magik is just a minor character from AvX #2 while she's a core character from UXN and will have some hard focus in UXN during the AvX tie-in. Another continuity error is Magma and Sunspot shouldn't still be in Utopia from AxX #2 since they already moved in an apartment along with the new mutants.

How is the Magik stuff a continuity error from AvX2? She isnt anywhere near Collosus when she tells Scott he has fallen. Had they shown her porting near him and actually seeing it for herself, it would have made more sense but considering that didnt happen, I dont see how she would possibly know. Forgetting AvX2, she simply wasnt around him in this issue (which is consistent with how we last saw both of them). Does she know share a psychic rapport with him or something?

As for the second point, that is not a continuity error. Just bc they moved to an apartment doesnt mean they dont ever go to Utopia. Their boss (Cyclops) is on the island, not to mention their friends and allies. They are still in the SF area so I imagine they still visit Utopia frequently. Not to mention Utopia has better training facilities, tech, etc... they'll probably still need (and want) to use

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How is the Magik stuff a continuity error from AvX2? She isnt anywhere near Collosus when she tells Scott he has fallen. Had they shown her porting near him and actually seeing it for herself, it would have made more sense but considering that didnt happen, I dont see how she would possibly know. Forgetting AvX2, she simply wasnt around him in this issue (which is consistent with how we last saw both of them). Does she know share a psychic rapport with him or something?

As for the second point, that is not a continuity error. Just bc they moved to an apartment doesnt mean they dont ever go to Utopia. Their boss (Cyclops) is on the island, not to mention their friends and allies. They are still in the SF area so I imagine they still visit Utopia frequently. Not to mention Utopia has better training facilities, tech, etc... they'll probably still need (and want) to use

Well, I'll give you that, but Magik going demon again is a continuity error now that she's resouled and regaining most of her soul isn't the same as being mostly resouled. She got a part of her soul through the soulsword before that. Some justifications can be made if she had conjured an illusion spell as a diversion for Dr. Strange to buy her some time of transporting her team mates somewhere, or altering her image as the Darkchilde by magic to intimidate him despite no longer being a demon.

[Darkchylde]

Well, I'll give you that, but Magik going demon again is a continuity error now that she's resouled and regaining most of her soul isn't the same as being mostly resouled. She got a part of her soul through the soulsword before that. Some justifications can be made if she had conjured an illusion spell as a diversion for Dr. Strange to buy her some time of transporting her team mates somewhere, or altering her image as the Darkchilde by magic to intimidate him despite no longer being a demon.

I'm confused; how are the two different?

Also, just because Illyana hasn't transformed into her Darkchild persona (since "Fall of the New Mutants" ended) doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing so. My personal opinion, unless Gillen or some other writer explicitly states otherwise on panel, is that Illyana still can go all "Darkchild" from time to time.

[Ebon Phantom]

Illyana isnt seen in todays UXM but she does communicate with Scott via a text bubble. Somehow she manages to tell him that Piotr has fallen. I dont know how the heck she would know that considering she is in Limbo fighting Strange. She's not even seen near her brother

During the Tabula Rasa incident, she was able to sense Colossus, so maybe their connection is maintained even while she's in limbo and that's how she could tell he was down.

[244]

I'm confused; how are the two different?

Also, just because Illyana hasn't transformed into her Darkchild persona (since "Fall of the New Mutants" ended) doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing so. My personal opinion, unless Gillen or some other writer explicitly states otherwise on panel, is that Illyana still can go all "Darkchild" from time to time.

As I said before, the bloodstones represent most of her soul which is the remainder. As Witchfire said from X-infernus #1, by regaining the soulsword and bloodstones (all crafted from Magik's soul), Magik can restore her human soul.

Your opinion on Magik can still go Darkchilde, since it's your personal opinion, I can respect that.

[sunofdarkchild]

She can sense magical things, can she not? She probably just sensed that he stopped using his jug powers too soon and concluded from that that he lost.

[yanapryde]

Suffice to say I really really will not be happy if Magik jobs to Dr Strange IN LIMBO of all places during this event. As for the Darkchylde persona - Whether its smoke and mirrors or an indication of some continued corruption within Illyana, I see no continuity foul.

Well....Namor lost to Thing. UNDER WATER. So....anything is possible. I mean ..uh..SPOILER ALERT spoilers:

Namor got pinned down by a pair of fangs, ripped from the mouth of a sea beast. Effing ridiculous.

end of spoilers

I'm confused; how are the two different?

Also, just because Illyana hasn't transformed into her Darkchild persona (since "Fall of the New Mutants" ended) doesn't mean that she isn't capable of doing so. My personal opinion, unless Gillen or some other writer explicitly states otherwise on panel, is that Illyana still can go all "Darkchild" from time to time.

Gillen is the supreme authority in regards to these matters. She's a core character in HIS title, so until he addresses it himself (just as he addressed Colossus never reverting to his fleshy-form, finally) the panel shows her in Darkchild form, she's the supreme sorceress of a demonic demension ---I think its safe to say she can DO whatever she WANTS while there.

During the Tabula Rasa incident, she was able to sense Colossus, so maybe their connection is maintained even while she's in limbo and that's how she could tell he was down.

Yes. This. And if she IS still in Limbo while this went down, one could argue her magical connection with her brother mght be stronger -- or she may just have access to a skrying pool. Who knows. There's tons of potential answers, but I'd go with the magical link argument.

As Witchfire said from X-infernus #1, by regaining the soulsword and bloodstones (all crafted from Magik's soul), Magik can restore her human soul..

Quote? I don't remember that exchange, but I'm intrigued to hear it.

She can sense magical things, can she not? She probably just sensed that he stopped using his jug powers too soon and concluded from that that he lost.

Word.