Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[Clea]

Speaking of that... the X-Forums FAQ Thread... I just finished the big 3 Ilyana Rasputin FAQs.

Those being:
1. Which powers she has as a mutant, and which are sorcerer powers...
2. How her aging/deaging/death/resurrection all make sense...
3. What is the SoulSword (outsourced that one)...

On the off chance that the research I've done is off, I figure folks in this thread would be the first to be able to spot it, and shoot me a PM on how it needs to be edited. Assuming I'm done with those Q & A's, though, I also figured this could serve as a heads up that rather than tell someone not in the know the whole long, long, long story, you can just link them to page 10 of the FAQ thread to get them what 411 they're looking for.

So... yeah... go team Magik.

Well done and very helpful. I haven't read any of the X-books for years so I lost track of what was happening with Magik. So, right now Magik is a simulacrum with only part of the soul of the original Illyana? That's pretty cool.

Is Amanda Sefton still in Limbo?

[yanapryde]

Well done and very helpful. I haven't read any of the X-books for years so I lost track of what was happening with Magik. So, right now Magik is a simulacrum with only part of the soul of the original Illyana? That's pretty cool.

Is Amanda Sefton still in Limbo?

Amanda is no longer in Limbo. That's about all we know.

[MuhollandDriver]

Well done and very helpful. I haven't read any of the X-books for years so I lost track of what was happening with Magik. So, right now Magik is a simulacrum with only part of the soul of the original Illyana? That's pretty cool.

Is Amanda Sefton still in Limbo?

Some still debate whether Illyana is the "real" Illyana or a simulacrum. I think it is the real one.

As for Illyana and Quentin Quire, if written well I would enjoy it. They could be the Sid and Nancy of the Marvel Universe!

[Silent Sigh]

They're building to it but sadly I doubt it'll happen. Love your avatar btw.

Thanks!!
Bachalo is one of my favorite artists, so see his Illyana was like a dream come true :P

Totally disagree with YOUR INTERPRETATION. But it's interesting to hear your views on how YOU perceive Illyana is and should become.

To me Illyana is inextricably linked to Limbo, which in of itself was tainted by Belasco all those years ago and that evil quality still remains as Limbo reflects its master. When Illyana originally wrested control of Limbo she had some of her soul, the others had been torn away to create the bloodstone and another portion she forged into her Soulsword. Important point to note is that whilst she was demonic she had portions of her soul.

Now Illyana has regained some portions of her soul but the soulsword exists and the corrution remains. Therefore the corruption in Limbo and in her still remains as before. Besides the fact that evil/darkness can exist within individuals regardless of the percentage of soul they possess (look at most Marvel bad guys)

I note that you are passionate in how you perceive Illyana to be but you seem to consistently work on the premise yours is the only interpretation.*Besides which her story is one of tragedy, take that away from her and your in danger of destroying the qualities that make that character likeable and unique.

The whole bloodstone elder god angle needed to be resolved and it has been but that doesn't mean Illyana is untainted, she still has the magicks and limbo. She still has darkness on her. She is now more like the original Magik rather than the soulless husk she was when she was reintroduced.

I agree with this.

After seeing the characterisation of her and how beautiful she looked in WATM. I'm considering voting for her to join the school.

(honest opinion not just taking opposite view... HONEST )

She really looked beautiful, but I prefer to see her in Uncanny, Gillen is gold, even if I hate the art in Uncanny.

It was certainly great to see her come to Scott's and Emma's defense, brandishing her sword. Stopped Kitty dead in her tracks

She truly is a great X-Man, her loyalties are clear and I bet she isn't afraid to confront any Avenger at this moment, defeating Strange was important.

I personally don't care about any interaction between her and Kitty, that friendship is over and both are moving on.

[Silent Sigh]

Some still debate whether Illyana is the "real" Illyana or a simulacrum. I think it is the real one.

As for Illyana and Quentin Quire, if written well I would enjoy it. They could be the Sid and Nancy of the Marvel Universe!

For me this Illyana is just a simulacrum, there were two original Illyanas, one is buried and we saw the corpse of the other one in Limbo.

[MuhollandDriver]

For me this Illyana is just a simulacrum, there were two original Illyanas, one is buried and we saw the corpse of the other one in Limbo.

I always pondered at the meaning of that corpse. I know it was supposed to be Illyana, I just did not get where that corpse came from.

Wasn't Illyana resurrected through the "darkchylde" essences remaining in Limbo? That is definitely a part of the real Illyana. Regardless, if she has most of her soul, I say it is the real Illyana, if there is even such a thing.

What a mind twister.

[Silent Sigh]

I always pondered at the meaning of that corpse. I know it was supposed to be Illyana, I just did not get where that corpse came from.

Wasn't Illyana resurrected through the "darkchylde" essences remaining in Limbo? That is definitely a part of the real Illyana. Regardless, if she has most of her soul, I say it is the real Illyana, if there is even such a thing.

What a mind twister.

That's the corpse of "Lightchylde", the Illyana who died in Inferno and just left her armor on earth, her body went to limbo with all the demons.
I like to think that this Illyana had some soul in her body, and when she died that part of her soul died too (lol), so that's the missing part in Magik 2.0.

Illyana 2.0 was created through Belasco's magic and Darkchylde essences, but it was just Darkchylde, no soul, just a demon. I do understand Kitty's hate towards Magik 2.0, Darkchylde decided to reclaim the soulsword and the bloodstones of Illyana Rasputin just because "it" looks like her and had her memories.

But don't get me wrong, I do love Illyana 2.0, and all this complicated story makes me like her even more.

[MuhollandDriver]

I suppose it is all up to one's interpretation.

Was that the corpse of the Illyana from Inferno? Confusing!

Since the corpse still had the bloodstones, wouldn't that make the little girl just another version as well?

Since this Illyana has the bloodstones, which is her soul, I'll just go with this being the "real" Illyana. Again, I'm not sure there is such a thing!

[sunofdarkchild]

That's the corpse of "Lightchylde", the Illyana who died in Inferno and just left her armor on earth, her body went to limbo with all the demons.
I like to think that this Illyana had some soul in her body, and when she died that part of her soul died too (lol), so that's the missing part in Magik 2.0.

Illyana 2.0 was created through Belasco's magic and Darkchylde essences, but it was just Darkchylde, no soul, just a demon. I do understand Kitty's hate towards Magik 2.0, Darkchylde decided to reclaim the soulsword and the bloodstones of Illyana Rasputin just because "it" looks like her and had her memories.

But don't get me wrong, I do love Illyana 2.0, and all this complicated story makes me like her even more.

One, you're being like 244 now with the assumptions. Until something is told or shown we do not know for sure what it is, like the body. Illyana has said that she wiped out her own existence at Inferno, and that the child saved was an alternate version to begin with. Given those facts it is most likely that the body is simply from another timeline and not any Illyana we know.

Second, now with the soul sword and her blood stones she has most of her soul back. So while as Belasco created her she was not truly Illyana, who can say that now? Or who is to say what is a person other than the some of their memories and experiences, which would make her always the 'real' Illyana?

[244]

One, you're being like 244 now with the assumptions.

Wow man, that's sort of below the belt, but I won't deny it.

I don't understand how are the bloodstones and soulsword makes up the majority of Magik's soul. Witchfire from X-infernus #1 made it explicit that the bloodstones and soulsword are all the pieces from her soul and any new info that she's still missing a piece would just make it more convoluted. If some of us are correct to assume that she still remains demonic, we can just use Ororo from the Magik mini series as an example. Ororo did regain her soul, but she's still tainted.

[Silent Sigh]

Was that the corpse of the Illyana from Inferno? Confusing!

That's how I got it.

One, you're being like 244 now with the assumptions. Until something is told or shown we do not know for sure what it is, like the body. Illyana has said that she wiped out her own existence at Inferno, and that the child saved was an alternate version to begin with. Given those facts it is most likely that the body is simply from another timeline and not any Illyana we know.

Second, now with the soul sword and her blood stones she has most of her soul back. So while as Belasco created her she was not truly Illyana, who can say that now? Or who is to say what is a person other than the some of their memories and experiences, which would make her always the 'real' Illyana?

That body had the bloodstones that Witchfire and Magik 2.0 were searching for, that's why I think that's the body of the Illyana from Inferno.

That's my theory of course, we'll never know exactly what Wells wanted to tell because he isn't writing her anymore. I'll ask him on facebook about this, I hope to get an answer.

[MuhollandDriver]

Wowzers!

Asking some creators could be interesting. There is a good chance we will get even more questions than answers. It seems Illyana works best when parts of her go unanswered.

Professor Xavier described her best when he called her "A riddle wrapped within an enigma".

I love that avatar, Silent Sigh.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Second, now with the soul sword and her blood stones she has most of her soul back. So while as Belasco created her she was not truly Illyana, who can say that now? Or who is to say what is a person other than the some of their memories and experiences, which would make her always the 'real' Illyana?

Yes, precisely, thank you!

[Silent Sigh]

I truly didn't expect an answer but here it is!!!



So.. I was right!

And forgive my english, btw.

[sunofdarkchild]

The answer is odd in the sense that rather than just say yes he says it was the intention. Maybe since he's no longer writing it he realizes any current writer can make a change and that that change would be the accepted canon because of how vague he made the situation, or he ontended the situation to be so vague in the first place.