Avengers: The Initiative #21 *Spoilers*

**classicgmer** · 01-31-2009, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts

Mr. Gage, I hate to keep pestering you with these questions, but I wondered if you may be able to answer a couple more for me. We saw that Razorback was returning to the Battalion to be trained by Tigra and rejoin her in active duty this issue. I was curious if we might see She-Thing, Equinox, Frog Man, Skyhawk, Thor Girl and Ultragirl and the Revolutionary return to their posts as well. After the mention of Razorback I wondered where the other replaced heroes who were at the Group Therapy meeting in issue 20 are going to end up. As a big fan of the 50 State Initiative concept I've really enjoyed the appearances of the various teams in the series. Yourself and Mr. Slott have done a great job with it in my opinion, and I can't wait to see where you go with the current arc and beyond.

Why would you think that they would do anything other than return to their teams? I think unless its specifically stated otherwise the characters who were replaced are just going straight back to their state teams. (I think Ultragirl will quit to join counterforce/New Warriors)

**Big Red Spider** · 01-31-2009, 05:41 PM

Another great issue; the new creative team seems to be working out awesome. Loved the dialogue; loved the art. And of course any book with an apperance by both Gorilla Girl and Debrii in it is going to rock.

I have faith that Gorilla girl will survive, the build up a character and destroy them was already used on Crusader.

I can't wait to see what happen to the good Dr.

**HeckBoy** · 01-31-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by CyberHubbs

Maybe MVP is Night Thrasher.

I was kinda thinking that too while I was wondering about why Night Thrasher was with the Counter Force-New Warriors. It doesn't seem like Donyell would be all that up for joining someone else's Warriors team but I could be wrong. I guess it depends on who's under the mask, but I wonder if we'll be getting an explanation here or if it might be settled in the last issue of New Warriors.

**christosgage** · 01-31-2009, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by RonnieThunderbolts

Mr. Gage, I hate to keep pestering you with these questions, but I wondered if you may be able to answer a couple more for me. We saw that Razorback was returning to the Battalion to be trained by Tigra and rejoin her in active duty this issue. I was curious if we might see She-Thing, Equinox, Frog Man, Skyhawk, Thor Girl and Ultragirl and the Revolutionary return to their posts as well. After the mention of Razorback I wondered where the other replaced heroes who were at the Group Therapy meeting in issue 20 are going to end up. As a big fan of the 50 State Initiative concept I've really enjoyed the appearances of the various teams in the series. Yourself and Mr. Slott have done a great job with it in my opinion, and I can't wait to see where you go with the current arc and beyond.

Thanks Ronnie. You can assume everyone who was taken is going back to their team until you see otherwise. Except Blacksmith, he never really existed (except possibly his civilian identity, but not as a superhuman), he was just a super-Skrull.

Oh, and Jocasta of course left the Mavericks to go with Pym.

Best,

CNG

**RonnieThunderbolts** · 01-31-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by christosgage

Thanks Ronnie. You can assume everyone who was taken is going back to their team until you see otherwise. Except Blacksmith, he never really existed (except possibly his civilian identity, but not as a superhuman), he was just a super-Skrull.

Oh, and Jocasta of course left the Mavericks to go with Pym.

Best,

CNG

Thanks again Mr. Gage. Your extremely candid and quick response is always appreciated.

I can't wait to see where this story arc takes the cast and us readers.

**seeso** · 01-31-2009, 09:53 PM

Color me pleasantly surprised. I had my reservations about a Slott-less Initiative book, but this issue kicked butt.

The book hasn't lost any momentum. I'm still enthusiastically on board.

**podmark** · 01-31-2009, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by CyberHubbs

Maybe MVP is Night Thrasher.

The thought had crossed my mind, and honestly if it was true I wouldn't have an issue with it.

**hunter_peterson** · 02-01-2009, 03:57 AM

[QUOTE=Big Red Spider;8326718]I have faith that Gorilla girl will survive, the build up a character and destroy them was already used on Crusader.QUOTE]

I thought him wishing that "things ended up differently" meant he'd teleported awy using the ring or something. There wasn't a body.

**mikekerr3** · 02-01-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by classicgmer

Why would you think that they would do anything other than return to their teams? I think unless its specifically stated otherwise the characters who were replaced are just going straight back to their state teams. (I think Ultragirl will quit to join counterforce/New Warriors)

Was it even them who joined the initiative and regostered, why would someone join and initiative team with no training and possible never having volnteered for the initiative or even registered.

**blehbeh** · 02-01-2009, 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=hunter_peterson;8328484]

Originally Posted by Big Red Spider

I have faith that Gorilla girl will survive, the build up a character and destroy them was already used on Crusader.QUOTE]

I thought him wishing that "things ended up differently" meant he'd teleported awy using the ring or something. There wasn't a body.

Yeah. And either Slott or Gage kind of hinted that it wasn't the last we'd see of Crusader. I think he'll be back in some form.

Loved seeing the real New Warriors return after that sorry excuse for a comic book was floating around for almost 2 years. Will they be searching for Robbie Baldwin next? Breaking him out of an asylum? He's still MIA since the Thunderbolts change.

**podmark** · 02-01-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by hunter_peterson

Will they be searching for Robbie Baldwin next? Breaking him out of an asylum? He's still MIA since the Thunderbolts change.

I doubt it, but I'd love to see it. I hope they stick around in this book in some form. Unless they actually got their own book, but I can't see that happening.

**Joe Franklin** · 02-01-2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by podmark

I doubt it, but I'd love to see it. I hope they stick around in this book in some form. Unless they actually got their own book, but I can't see that happening.

I would rather they stay in Gage's Initiative book, then get their own title.

We know the Initiative book isn't getting canceled any time soon, while a brand new series of New Warriors may not last over 12 issues in today's market.

The New Warriors are safe within the confines of Gage's Initiative.

**Monty_Cristo** · 02-01-2009, 12:06 PM

i think Jim Hammond should take over administrative duties at the camp; post dark reign.

**Big Red Spider** · 02-01-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

i think Jim Hammond should take over administrative duties at the camp; post dark reign.

I wonder how Jim would get along with Blitzschlag. Oh wait, nobody gets along with Blitzschlag except maybe his children.

**Big Red Spider** · 02-01-2009, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by hunter_peterson

I thought him wishing that "things ended up differently" meant he'd teleported awy using the ring or something. There wasn't a body.

Originally Posted by blehbeh

Yeah. And either Slott or Gage kind of hinted that it wasn't the last we'd see of Crusader. I think he'll be back in some form.

All that character development to make him into this foreigner who loved his new country. Even enough to battle against his own people. Now it is just going to be used to fuel some sort of villainous revenge. I always felt that the Crusader was a great model of an illegal member of society that was trying to do right and be heroic. Now that he's been set back he'll have to be defeated before there is even a possibility of redemption.