HSDK manga discussion thread

[Holy Spirit]

There is an expert class/level as well, so....... there's that.

[Jmacq1]

I doubt that there's been more than maybe a year. And yeah, Kenichi probably won't be a master until the very end.

It's been more than a year. We've seen the beginning of two school years, at the very least. So it could be as little as a year and a half that's passed in-universe.

As long as Kenichi is a disciple it doesn't matter how strong he is. I mean the story never really called itself Strongest Disciple Class Guy. We didn't even know there was a thing called disciple class until way later on.

So long as the kid is a disciple he counts.

Except that when you're a master, you're not a disciple anymore. You really can't be both. You can try to argue the semantics all you want, but the meaning of the title is clear in the context of the story.

We will have to disagree here. I am pretty much certain that's what is going to happen. Kenichi will fight Masters at some point.

Then you must be expecting some kind of major timeskip or for the writers/artists to live for another century or so to cover the necessary time period.

[Hazard]

Except that when you're a master, you're not a disciple anymore. You really can't be both. You can try to argue the semantics all you want, but the meaning of the title is clear in the context of the story.

I, for one, have never taken the title of the manga to refer to disciple class.

Besides, the thinking is flawed. Being a master does not mean one can't be a student. A teacher can still be a student.

If Sasaki were to suddenly study under Miu's grandpa there is no denying he would be a disciple to him, despite being a master to Kenichi.

Then you must be expecting some kind of major timeskip or for the writers/artists to live for another century or so to cover the necessary time period.

Kenichi has gone from total wimp to 'put Olympic level athletes to shame' in about year.

The masters may say all they want about his lack of talent, but his growth rate in the manga has always been unnatural, so I don't see reaching Master class as impossible.

[The Drunkard Kid]

In Kenichi's case, they're explicitly doing training and medical treatments that 99% of martial artists could never hope to receive (or survive without the latter) and are basically remodeling his body from the ground up. A pretty explicit parallel was made to what the YAMI Juijitsu master was doing to Chikage.

[Jmacq1]

I, for one, have never taken the title of the manga to refer to disciple class.

That doesn't mean your interpretation isn't wrong.

Besides, the thinking is flawed. Being a master does not mean one can't be a student. A teacher can still be a student.

If Sasaki were to suddenly study under Miu's grandpa there is no denying he would be a disciple to him, despite being a master to Kenichi.

Except there's not a single example of things working that way in the Manga thus far. When you're a Master, you're still training to maintain your skills (and to try to push them even further along the path of "perfection," but you're not under someone's specific tutelage. That's the whole point of being a Master...you've reached the point where traditional learning is of limited/negligible value to you, and the only way to improve further is self-experimentation (pushing your own boundaries to try to perfect your art). If you're still operating right under someone's nose and direct tutelage...you're still a disciple, not a Master. A Master doesn't need a specific teacher. They've advanced beyond that.

Kenichi has gone from total wimp to 'put Olympic level athletes to shame' in about year.

The masters may say all they want about his lack of talent, but his growth rate in the manga has always been unnatural, so I don't see reaching Master class as impossible.

Oh, it's far from impossible. It just won't happen until the final/near-final volume of the Manga, if on-panel at all.

[Hazard]

That doesn't mean your interpretation isn't wrong

When exactly was the term disciple class introduced in the manga? First chapter? Tenth chapter? One Hundredth chapter?

Except there's not a single example of things working that way in the Manga thus far. When you're a Master, you're still training to maintain your skills (and to try to push them even further along the path of "perfection," but you're not under someone's specific tutelage. That's the whole point of being a Master...you've reached the point where traditional learning is of limited/negligible value to you, and the only way to improve further is self-experimentation (pushing your own boundaries to try to perfect your art). If you're still operating right under someone's nose and direct tutelage...you're still a disciple, not a Master. A Master doesn't need a specific teacher. They've advanced beyond that.

See this makes no sense at all. If a Karate Master wanted to learn Kung Fu, why would he teach himself Kung Fu, where there is a perfectly able Kung Fu teacher available.

The idea that you can reach a point where an instructor is never going to be needed at all or that you are not going to use one at all is fundamentally flawed in many ways.


Anyway, let's agree to disagree.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Was Sakaki still training under his master when Yami offered to make him one of the Nine Fists?

[FistofIron]

Was Sakaki still training under his master when Yami offered to make him one of the Nine Fists?

Nah his master was dead when they tried to recruit him.

[Holy Spirit]

I don't like that mask that Miu wears..... I want to see her face while all this is happening with Kenichi.

[sun tzu]

Did...Did Kenichi spoilers:

just hit a girl

end of spoilers?

[Len Ikari145]

Did...Did Kenichi spoilers:

just hit a girl

end of spoilers?

Yes, yes he did. And I feel Hell freezing over as we speak.

[Holy Spirit]

Did...Did Kenichi spoilers:

just hit a girl

end of spoilers?

I don't.... think so.

[penguin-in-leather-jacket]

he certainly tried though, which is a big change. when he went on the mission with Sakaki that ended up with him encountering the Savate master assassin Christopher Eclaire, he couldn't bring himself to strike one of CE's female subordinates. all he could do was use jujitsu holds to grapple her and, iirc, tie her up.

[sun tzu]

Plus, it's not just any girl. It's Miu.
This is how you know Kenichi is taking the situation seriously.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Why is it that we aren't talking about how insanely manly and awesome Kenichi's been these last few chapters.

Seriously, this is probably the most badass the guy's been ever.