Blood and Iron?

[pariah-1972]

Ok im just a wee bit confused on this one.. Why doesn't Abe have the British accent in this video?
Why does Liz look like shes 17?

i'm not crazy about the animation either i think they could have done a better job compared to Batman: Gotham Knight which was anime but the quality was better.

Sorry for ranting but i don't understand why they are using Ron's voice if this isn't tied into the movies.

[SpydaWeb]

You need a reason to use Ron's voice?
They used most all the principle voices. Selma, Ron, and Doug.

[pariah-1972]

You need a reason to use Ron's voice?
They used most all the principle voices. Selma, Ron, and Doug.

Well Doug said he did the voice in the first movie....
but it was credited to the guy from Frasier and in the second movie it sounds just alike but in this video it sounds completely different.

And there head-quaters is in the mountains somewhere not in New Jersey so i'm just wondering what the heck is going on because its making it hard to focus on the video when they change so many things.

[Maija]

Although Doug Jones did record dialogue for the first film, it was over-dubbed by David Hyde Pierce.

DHP isn't "British". His accent is "Niles Crane" (and in fact it was really David Hyde Pierce imitating Doug Jones' original recording). DHP thought that Doug Jones' original recording on the first film was fine and felt that his dubbing was unnecessary, such that he declined a credit, declined to do publicity for the first film in favour of Doug Jones, and subsequently declined to appear on the animated films or on the second live action movie, in deference to Doug Jones' work. Other than the first live action film, Abe is Doug Jones all the way.

Perhaps you should give the comics (both Hellboy and BPRD; the latter explains the change of HQ to Colorado) a read. The animated movies are closer to the comics continuity than the live action films. That might make the animated films less confusing to you... or the entire Hellboy universe more confusing, since the Guillermo del Toro Hellboy universe has strayed quite a bit from the original.

[Tad]

Ok im just a wee bit confused on this one.. Why doesn't Abe have the British accent in this video?
Why does Liz look like shes 17?

i'm not crazy about the animation either i think they could have done a better job compared to Batman: Gotham Knight which was anime but the quality was better.

Sorry for ranting but i don't understand why they are using Ron's voice if this isn't tied into the movies.

Hi Pariah, I did the Hellboy movies.

As Maija pointed out, Abe's accent isn't English, although it feels upper crust. In the animated films, Doug used the voice that he used in the first film. The one that was dubbed over. I thought his performance was best in the "rainy cave" sequence and better than HB2.

Liz looks 17 because I was at a new studio and picking my battles and that's the one note I gave in on (although it turned out I needn't have). However, in the comics Liz is considerably younger than Hellboy.

Ron Perlman does lots of animation and was perfect for the role for many of the same reasons that made him perfect for the live action portrayal.

Finally, the difference in animation is largely a matter of the difference in budgets between Hellboy Animated and The Gotham Knight. There are sequences in both movies that are quite good but there's only so much that can be done on a tight schedule. BTW, we did the animated movies before HB2 was even written. It's a separate universe, although closer to the comics, some things were changed to be closer to the present day comics like the BPRD HQ. Broom is alive because he's a cool character and I wanted the audience to really get to know him and his relationship with Hellboy before we killed him (originally there were to be many animated sequels).

Hope that answers any outstanding questions.

[rcnmichigan]

Well i just bought hellboy psp game , and the fact the there voices are not in it is a bummer. Even though its not a movie based game it doesnt feel right.

I like the animated hellboy. And i think the voice acting is one of the highlights.
I also think the writing is done very well. The sense of humor of hellboy is every bit as good as the movies.
So i would love to see another one.

I have wondered about the budgets of the animations , compared to others (marvel.dc).

I also think hellboy is perfect for the animatrix , batman multi director,style movie.With some of the more expensive or cutting edge animation to be used on shorter chapters in the story , like the smaller stories in the insert comics that come with the animated movies.

[pariah-1972]

Hi Pariah, I did the Hellboy movies.

As Maija pointed out, Abe's accent isn't English, although it feels upper crust. In the animated films, Doug used the voice that he used in the first film. The one that was dubbed over. I thought his performance was best in the "rainy cave" sequence and better than HB2.

Liz looks 17 because I was at a new studio and picking my battles and that's the one note I gave in on (although it turned out I needn't have). However, in the comics Liz is considerably younger than Hellboy.

Ron Perlman does lots of animation and was perfect for the role for many of the same reasons that made him perfect for the live action portrayal.

Finally, the difference in animation is largely a matter of the difference in budgets between Hellboy Animated and The Gotham Knight. There are sequences in both movies that are quite good but there's only so much that can be done on a tight schedule. BTW, we did the animated movies before HB2 was even written. It's a separate universe, although closer to the comics, some things were changed to be closer to the present day comics like the BPRD HQ. Broom is alive because he's a cool character and I wanted the audience to really get to know him and his relationship with Hellboy before we killed him (originally there were to be many animated sequels).

Hope that answers any outstanding questions.

What exactly do you mean by "did them" what part did you play since most animation is extremely collaborative even more so than comics.


I hope you don't mind my criticisms i don't like to offend people on something they created since i don't have those abilities (cept for writing occasional sloppy reviews)
anyways i have read Conquerer Worm but it really didn't wow me i felt there was too much emphasis on atmosphere and not on characterization and action.
Which is probably the reason why i like the movies better.

The thing that sort of confuses me is it said at wikipedia that it was based more on the comics but if thats so why use the actors from the movie? it's very confusing for someone who's still a newbie to the Hellboy world.

I'm still not sure about this movie and i don't understand why Doug jones didn't use the "upper crust" (tho i still say he sounds British cause he reminds me of c3-p0 which i loved)

Sorry for so many questions

[Jake Capps]

What exactly do you mean by "did them" what part did you play since most animation is extremely collaborative even more so than comics.


I hope you don't mind my criticisms i don't like to offend people on something they created since i don't have those abilities (cept for writing occasional sloppy reviews)
anyways i have read Conquerer Worm but it really didn't wow me i felt there was too much emphasis on atmosphere and not on characterization and action.
Which is probably the reason why i like the movies better.

The thing that sort of confuses me is it said at wikipedia that it was based more on the comics but if thats so why use the actors from the movie? it's very confusing for someone who's still a newbie to the Hellboy world.

I'm still not sure about this movie and i don't understand why Doug jones didn't use the "upper crust" (tho i still say he sounds British cause he reminds me of c3-p0 which i loved)

Sorry for so many questions

Tad Stones is director of the awesome animated TV series DARK WING DUCK...and Hellboy. That's how he "did them".

[E. Spears]

What exactly do you mean by "did them" what part did you play since most animation is extremely collaborative even more so than comics.

He produced, wrote, animated, directed, and did all the sound effects for both movies by himself over the course of a couple weekends because he's goddamn Tad Stones and he could do it.

anyways i have read Conquerer Worm but it really didn't wow me i felt there was too much emphasis on atmosphere and not on characterization and action.
Which is probably the reason why i like the movies better.

How is Hellboy punching the head off of a robo-suit, or battling a giant worm-beast with poorly-aimed grenades and corpse-and-homoncolus-driven lighting rods, or Lobster Johnson shooting dozens of zombie-cyborgs not action oriented? Virtually all the Hellboy comics are very atmosphere heavy. That's kinda how Mignola rolls. I don't know what to say about your take on the characterization, I don't get that.

The thing that sort of confuses me is it said at wikipedia that it was based more on the comics but if thats so why use the actors from the movie? it's very confusing for someone who's still a newbie to the Hellboy world.

Wikipedia isn't a terribly reliable resource for anything. It's updated by people like you and me who don't always know what they're talking about.

Like the live-action movies, the animated movies use elements from the comics. Blood and Iron uses elements from Wake the Devil and Wolves of Saint August (and I think at least one other? Maybe?), but it isn't a straight-up adaptation of the comic. The animated films are a whole different Hellboy continuity in-and-of themselves. I don't see how using the actors in the live-action movies as the voices in the animated flicks is confusing, myself.

I'm still not sure about this movie and i don't understand why Doug jones didn't use the "upper crust" (tho i still say he sounds British cause he reminds me of c3-p0 which i loved)

Doug Jones isn't British, which is probably why he doesn't sound British to anyone in the world but you.

[Myron L]

What exactly do you mean by "did them" what part did you play since most animation is extremely collaborative even more so than comics.


I hope you don't mind my criticisms i don't like to offend people on something they created since i don't have those abilities (cept for writing occasional sloppy reviews)
anyways i have read Conquerer Worm but it really didn't wow me i felt there was too much emphasis on atmosphere and not on characterization and action.
Which is probably the reason why i like the movies better.

The thing that sort of confuses me is it said at wikipedia that it was based more on the comics but if thats so why use the actors from the movie? it's very confusing for someone who's still a newbie to the Hellboy world.

I'm still not sure about this movie and i don't understand why Doug jones didn't use the "upper crust" (tho i still say he sounds British cause he reminds me of c3-p0 which i loved)

Sorry for so many questions

Tad was the creative director on the Hellboy animated movies, as well as an active contibutor to this board AND all-around swell guy. I believe he and Mike Mignola first crossed paths working on Disney's Atlantis animated film years back.

As to the whole Abe voice debate, let me see if I can clear the water:

David Hyde Pierce was the actual voice you heard on the first Hellboy live action movie. Doug Jones, who is actually the actor portraying Abe physically, did the original voice and for some reason, GDT decided to overdub him with David Hyde Pierce. End of the ride for David Hyde Piece.

Doug has done all the other voice-overs for all subsequent Abe appearances in both the Live Action AND Animated features and Doug really seems to get what Abe is...I personally feel he captures his moves, attitudes and demeanor quite nicely.

Now let's all place nicely...

;)

[Sparky]

He produced, wrote, animated, directed, and did all the sound effects for both movies by himself over the course of a couple weekends because he's goddamn Tad Stones and he could do it.

...he also jumped onto a runaway school bus and gently stopped it by driving into a marshmallow factory, rescued a basket of kittens from the top of the Capitol Records building, defeated a terrorist by demonstrating his Chartreuse Leopard Print Belt in kung fu while dangling upside-down from the Goodyear Blimp hovering over the Superbowl and THEN baked everyone in the stadium delicious chocolate chip cookies using his secret recipe.

[Kees_L]

If I read correct everyone is playing nice up to now in this thread, so that's good. I can accept Pariah's questions since they are motivated as genuine. And I feel genuinely speaking your mind will work.

Since I'm glad everyone isn't ranting (to me including Pariah and of course E. who could be my older brother for introducin' me to The Locust), I won't either.

I think Tad Stones did a superb job up to now since it feels like he's a Hellboy-fan who staked his life on delivering stuff that wouldn't bum out fans or Mike M.
But yeah, if compared to the X-Men continuity, the Spider-Man or Batman continuity, the Hellboy continuity would be different, more unique: less uniform, less simple or simplified.
Movie-Hellboy seems simplified to me, but that's cuz it's movie-Hellboy. And Hollywood or: 'movies everyone watches' don't do other than simplified.
Saying that in Comic Universe continuity Mignola's creator-owned Hellboy/BPRD might not be your average one - but I think that is very great.
A Hellboy comic will read like it is what it is, not a creative team getting to do their take to rake in the most readers, and same goes for Animated Hellboy - again: I think that is very great.

[Jake Capps]

He produced, wrote, animated, directed, and did all the sound effects for both movies by himself over the course of a couple weekends because he's goddamn Tad Stones and he could do it.

This should be on Tad's business cards.

[Kees_L]

This should be on Tad's business cards.

But then we'd have 2 creative executive-types to 'bellygrub' over. Perhaps there are more ?

[Todd H]

Well i just bought hellboy psp game , and the fact the there voices are not in it is a bummer. Even though its not a movie based game it doesnt feel right.
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The movie cast does do the voices in the Hellboy Science of Evil game.

[QUOTE=Kees L;But then we'd have 2 creative executive-types to 'bellygrub' over. Perhaps there are more ? [/QUOTE]
You rang?

Still wish we could get more Animated Hellboy. :(