Batgirl #1

**d newton** · 07-17-2008, 10:32 PM

There's still the even bigger (and very critical) weakness that Beechan still doesn't seem to actually understand why Cassandra Cain doesn't kill. Sure, now he's writing the character as knowing she's not SUPPOSED to kill, but that's not the same thing--even remotely. Her stance on not killing was self motivated, and the key piece of her origin. He's taken that away fromher.

This is what bugs me - people moan about how said writer has ruined Batgirl forever yet can't even spell his name right (It's Beechen not Beechan!)

**Spiffy** · 07-17-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by d newton

This is what bugs me - people moan about how said writer has ruined Batgirl forever yet can't even spell his name right (It's Beechen not Beechan!)

I guess that's just as bad as what he's done. Yup. That totally absolves him!

**d newton** · 07-18-2008, 04:27 AM

I guess that's just as bad as what he's done.

So you haven't read Batgirl 66 yet?

**The Cool Thatguy** · 07-18-2008, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Samuraixsithlord

Rose didn't really kill any innocent people if i remember correctly, just a bunch of crazy brother blood cultists.

Plus he was there when Rose split with Deathstroke. All Cass did was just show up and say she was cured. When he found her snooping in the cave, it didn't help either

Cass only killed criminals too, not that it would matter to the Batclan or Nightwing inparticular.

Rose was raised in a brothel, she joined Deathstroke willingly (well, with some trickery but not much) and stayed with him for months, going so far as to try to kill Batgirl. Hell, Rose was willing to try to take down Superman and rebelled only because Slade had endangered her life, not because Deathstroke was making her do anything immoral.

In contrast, Cass was only raised by Cain until she was eight. The second she realized the consquences of her actions, she bolted. Until OYL, Cass was a reliable member of the family. She had a few bumps, but was never regarded as a loose cannon like Huntress or Azreal.

As for 'just showing up', logic would suggest that Batman performed some medical tests on her to confirm that Deathstroke's toxins were out of her system.

Overall, Nightwing should have been the one who embraced Cass, whereas Robin should have been unwilling to trust her. They never got along pre-OYL, he was the one who Cass targetted, both alone and in Titans East.

Though it was nice to see Cass dismiss him physically ;)

**vazel** · 07-18-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by d newton

So you haven't read Batgirl 66 yet?

What of it? Issue is looney and certainly not one of the best of the series but at least it didn't have any longstanding negative ramifications(with what few issues were left of the series by then). Even Batman:TAS had its stinker episodes.

**andy khouri** · 07-18-2008, 12:08 PM

The writer who helped turn Cassandra Cain evil returns her to the side of the angels with a new revenge-tinged miniseries from DC Comics illustrated by Jim Calafiore. CBR spoke with Beechen about "Batgirl."

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17293

**The Cool Thatguy** · 07-18-2008, 01:26 PM

Be nice if he focused on writing a Batgirl story as opposed to trying to justify his God awful depictions of Cass and loose Robin plot elements.

**Pixie_Solanas** · 07-18-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy

Be nice if he focused on writing a Batgirl story as opposed to trying to justify his God awful depictions of Cass and loose Robin plot elements.

Yeah, those two pages full of shoddy, verbose explanation in issue #1 are already the butt of countless comicblog jokes.

Pretty bad.

**StumboTheGiant** · 07-18-2008, 03:19 PM

I liked it good job Beechen keep it up. Also loved the art.

**Zodberg** · 07-18-2008, 04:52 PM

This situation would have made so much sense if Beechen had kept Batgirl.
And she wasn't being pulled for a nonsensical arc in Supergirl or a rushed and blunt fix from Geoff Johns.
So it had to juggle the clusterhug her last three years have been in two pages.
Thank god Beechen is actually a capable writer.

I was worried about the art- Calafiore's squinty faces made me regret buying Gotham Underground. Here, he's mostly drawing a girl in a mask, or a girl who happens to be asian anyway, so the book plays to his strengths.

After this, I really wouldn't mind if Robin's ongoing had it's name and content chasnged to "Robin & Batgirl" or something Gothammy, focusing on them as a pair.

**carabas** · 07-18-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Zodberg

This situation would have made so much sense if Beechen had kept Batgirl.
And she wasn't being pulled for a nonsensical arc in Supergirl or a rushed and blunt fix from Geoff Johns.
So it had to juggle the clusterhug her last three years have been in two pages.
Thank god Beechen is actually a capable writer.

What do you mean? It's Beechen who created the clusterfrell in the first place. He simply refuses to even slightly understand the basic fundaments of the character.

**Scott Iskow** · 07-18-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Zodberg

After this, I really wouldn't mind if Robin's ongoing had it's name and content chasnged to "Robin & Batgirl" or something Gothammy, focusing on them as a pair.

I thought they were already doing Robin/Spoiler. Tell you what, Batgirl can team up with Azrael. They seemed to hit it off. They both turned evil too.

**d newton** · 07-18-2008, 08:13 PM

The only negative aspect of Batgirl V2 issue 1 was Nightwing's reaction to what Cass had done while drugged (Blockbuster's death, anyone?).

**Teh m0nk3y** · 07-18-2008, 08:34 PM

I felt like pulling my hair off after reading that interview.

Beechen still hasn't figured out what he did wrong with Batgirl in the past. It looks like he's going to continue with same direction to justify the crap that was One Year Later. Gave issue one a chance and was going to see whether issue two would improve or not. This interview saved me the trouble... I'm not going to support this crap.