It's Not Easy Being Blue: Nightcrawler Appreciation

[Drelion]

Jean gets a statue and a school named after her, and I'm not even sure Kurt has a grave marker. Oy.

Where did they put his ashes? Please tell me it's not on Utopia?

[Sundowhn]

Where did they put his ashes? Please tell me it's not on Utopia?

I don't recall that it ever showed, nor told, of anything being done with his remains. Presumably, they are still housed in the metal/concrete(?) box they put him in to cremate him. -,- With the lack of emotion shown, they probably had Namor pitch the box into the ocean afterwards.

[TheMutantJinx]

Jean gets a statue and a school named after her, and I'm not even sure Kurt has a grave marker. Oy.

Ok, I'm more or less done whinging about it for the moment. Here are a few more scans, this time for the artwork. Pity they never paired him with Reyes; that could've been cute.
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Eh, Reyes is too independent for anyone, I think. But that artwork is certainly lovely.

[TheMutantJinx]

I don't recall that it ever showed, nor told, of anything being done with his remains. Presumably, they are still housed in the metal/concrete(?) box they put him in to cremate him. -,- With the lack of emotion shown, they probably had Namor pitch the box into the ocean afterwards.

Also, you know what really bugs me? I know they couldn't give him a Catholic funeral, but still--if I recall correctly, Catholics don't burn their dead. Nor do Roma. Verdammter Mist.

[Sundowhn]

Also, you know what really bugs me? I know they couldn't give him a Catholic funeral, but still--if I recall correctly, Catholics don't burn their dead. Nor do Roma. Verdammter Mist.

Nope, they don't. As a matter of fact, a lot of Christian religions don't believe in cremation, because of a belief in the final resurrection after the second coming. The head is supposed to lay at the western end of the grave, to view the coming of Christ on judgement day. No body, no resurrection at the second coming.

I liked the fanfic that proposed Azazel had come to retrieve his son at the last minute and what the X-Men actually cremated were cinder blocks and luncheon meat. :)

Poor, tired tail.

[TheMutantJinx]

Nope, they don't. As a matter of fact, a lot of Christian religions don't believe in cremation, because of a belief in the final resurrection after the second coming. The head is supposed to lay at the western end of the grave, to view the coming of Christ on judgement day. No body, no resurrection at the second coming.

I liked the fanfic that proposed Azazel had come to retrieve his son at the last minute and what the X-Men actually cremated were cinder blocks and luncheon meat. :)

Poor, tired tail.

Was said fic called "Devotion" by sketzocase? Because I love that story.

Aw. His poor tail.

[Sundowhn]

Was said fic called "Devotion" by sketzocase? Because I love that story.

Aw. His poor tail.

I think that is what it was called. Azazel carries him away and he and Margali heal him. No follow-up that I can recall.
To be honest, as controversial as the demon father plot was, that could be such a no-brainer excuse for bringing him back. The mortal part died, but being half demon or half demon-sorcerer, the immortal part still lives. Would also explain that line when Wolverine was in Hell. Jubilee said something about Kurt being a figment of Logan's imagination, like Jean, and Kurt says "But I'm the real..." then gets cut off.

[TheMutantJinx]

I think that is what it was called. Azazel carries him away and he and Margali heal him. No follow-up that I can recall.
To be honest, as controversial as the demon father plot was, that could be such a no-brainer excuse for bringing him back. The mortal part died, but being half demon or half demon-sorcerer, the immortal part still lives. Would also explain that line when Wolverine was in Hell. Jubilee said something about Kurt being a figment of Logan's imagination, like Jean, and Kurt says "But I'm the real..." then gets cut off.

Yes, I remember that (though I do think Mephisto said something about Azazel not being a demon; whatever). In fact, I bought those two issues of Wolverine just for that. And the #9 because Mystique mentions Kurt.

"Until we meet again, Logan. Heaven, by the way? Has the greatest beer ever."

[Drelion]

After finding out they killed him, I went back and read the issues leading up to his death and it broke my heart at how tired and burnt out he was portayed. Aholes pushed him too hard 8/

[Sundowhn]

Yes, I remember that (though I do think Mephisto said something about Azazel not being a demon; whatever). In fact, I bought those two issues of Wolverine just for that. And the #9 because Mystique mentions Kurt.

"Until we meet again, Logan. Heaven, by the way? Has the greatest beer ever."

I bought those issues for the same reason. :)
There are several weird things mentioned on Azzy's wiki page. I think it boils down to editors and writers not knowing what to do with him, so therefore having no continuity with the story. In X-Infernus, Kurt tells Illyana that he's the son of a demon, and it seems like there might be a couple of other references in that direction. Then, there's the other side that says Azazel is just a really old mutant. Bah, who can say? It would still be such an easy way to bring him back.

[Sundowhn]

After finding out they killed him, I went back and read the issues leading up to his death and it broke my heart at how tired and burnt out he was portayed. Aholes pushed him too hard 8/

He would have been SO much better off if he'd stayed gone when he quit the X-men in Manifest Destiny. Instead of having his uncared for ashes stuck in a box somewhere, he could be sipping a pina colada on the beach and sending postcards.
I never really understood what the problem was. Writers didn't want to touch him during the priestly adventures, so that character progression was essentially removed during his solo run. All they had to do was build from there, yet no one did. He was a token blue splodge on the occasional panel for ages, then some numbskull started writing him as a would-be-priest again right before they killed him. Gah.

[TheMutantJinx]

I bought those issues for the same reason. :)
There are several weird things mentioned on Azzy's wiki page. I think it boils down to editors and writers not knowing what to do with him, so therefore having no continuity with the story. In X-Infernus, Kurt tells Illyana that he's the son of a demon, and it seems like there might be a couple of other references in that direction. Then, there's the other side that says Azazel is just a really old mutant. Bah, who can say? It would still be such an easy way to bring him back.

I keep looking for the collection of this mini just because Nightcrawler's got such an important part, but I can never find it.

[DevilishRogue]

I don't recall that it ever showed, nor told, of anything being done with his remains. Presumably, they are still housed in the metal/concrete(?) box they put him in to cremate him. -,- With the lack of emotion shown, they probably had Namor pitch the box into the ocean afterwards.

And judging by X-Force they couldn't be arsed to tell Kitty about Kurt.


Some nice scans guys. Here's more ...




Excalibur 116 , daw, Petey is so protective of his blue tovarisch.

[M.Hammerman]

My major beef with the era/run leading up to Kurt's death was him building that church at Utopia, just in the sense that his motivation was never explained so it seemed like a huge character regression. It was sort of like they needed to re-emphasize his Catholicism to show what a moral person he is. Like, I remember at some point Cyclops saying during Fraction's run that Kurt wouldn't agree with his current direction (ie. X-Force) because of his "beliefs"; but couldn't he just disagree because he's a good person? There are plenty of other fundamental reasons (from the fact that he looks like a demon and makes up for it by being the best guy ever on downwards) for why Kurt would disagree with X-Force. I don't like the suggestion that you need to be Catholic to have morals and/or that having morals about things like killing people is a bad thing.

[Sundowhn]

And judging by X-Force they couldn't be arsed to tell Kitty about Kurt.

I'm not sure I follow? Kitty met him in UXF #19, after AoA Jean and Creed went back through the portal. It was just the only time she was really shown to be upset about the real Kurt's death. (The art was horrific.)