Last edited by March Hare; 11-12-2012 at 07:26 AM.
Whew, sorry... don't know what came over me. In recompense for that (and for missing Kurt's birthday!), here's some classic Kurmanda, to balance everything out :P
Awesome! Quite a bit EVO, but really agile and expressive!
Last edited by March Hare; 11-13-2012 at 04:46 AM.
With him and Kurt... The aspects I like have to do with how Peter's a guy who's defined by raw, physical power who seems to really respect Kurt, a guy who's defined more by brains (or at least cunning) than brawn. I think Peter's respect for that difference says a lot about his character; it also hints at the humility I think Peter ultimately has (despite his sometimes posturing).
Anyway, I liked the depiction of their friendship in this scene from Excal #92, despite it following one of those sexist jealousy rampages I'm not fond of. But maybe it shows Peter's ability to learn from his mistakes...? It's also sort of nice (or interesting?) to see Kurt being really mad at someone (in my selective-reading mind, I imagine only defense of Kitty could provoke him to such acts, lol).
And as I was looking for that... Some more pretty Kurmanda...
...and I don't know what I'd call whatever's going on with Kurt and Hepzibah here, but it made me smile :P
Oh, I'd forgotten how much I loved that Piotr/Kurt sequence! In the last days of Excalibur, especially, Kurt could really put his foot down, yet retain his voice of wisdom and compassion.
/Giggle at the tangled tails in the Kurt/Hep panels.
Some picspam for Kuroro fans.
The Excalibur cover Marg uploaded reminded me of this fanart photomanip
A pic done by the sister of a good friend of mine
From Extreme X-men (don't recall which issue)
The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. Albert Einstein
On a less enthusiastic note... Out of morbid curiosity, I checked out X-Treme X-Men this week and oh my god... I don't think it's a spoiler to say that I hate sad martyr Kurt so much. I mean, yeah, there are different ways to read Nightcrawler as a character, but missing the humour and "choosing not to be a victim"-ness (to the extent that that's possible) of him is pretty major, up there with not getting that the Hulk is about anger, Spider-Man about responsibility, etc. And seriously, why is it that Wolverine can only be bi in a comic where Nightcrawler is a child? Are they that afraid of slash readings?
Sorry, I try not to be negative, but that series really gets to me. Why do an AU version of a character that doesn't engage in any meaningful conversation with the essence of the original? Why not just make up a totally different character? Alternatively, if Pak wanted Amadeus Cho back so badly, he should have just used him instead of trying to turn Kurt into him. Gah. I cranked some Hot Chip and did an extra long workout, and even that didn't make me feel better--nu disco just reminds me of Dazzler now, whom I'm starting to dislike by association. If I could just stop becoming emotionally invested in fictional characters over whom I have no control...
Last edited by M.Hammerman; 11-14-2012 at 10:01 AM.
I'm really not a Dazzler fan, so that's really another big strike for me. I like the idea of a gay Wolverine, but his characterization otherwise is pretty dull.
Yeah, getting emotionally invested in Marvel characters, these days, is a bad idea it seems--- just leads to frustration and disappointment. Unless, of course, you can't get enough of editorial favourites.
[QUOTE=Sundowhn;16156911]In the 32 continuous years that I've been a Nightcrawler fan, I have never, ever utterly loathed a version of the character -- until now. Pak has accomplished what I thought was impossible. He's put some clichéd, whingy, pathetic side-kick into that body and tries to pass it off as a kid version of Kurt. I swear, if that thing ends up in 616....
I'm really not a Dazzler fan, so that's really another big strike for me. I like the idea of a gay Wolverine, but his characterization otherwise is pretty dull. [QUOTE]
Sorry, but I still like the kid. He's got a lot of growing up to do, sure, but I don't think he's pathetic, whingy, etc. Considering the situation he's in, I think he's holding his own. After all, an AU version of a character isn't necessarily supposed to be exactly like the original character. I like him as a smart nerdy kid, perhaps because that's what I was.
And I love the idea of a gay version of Wolverine!!!
Dazzler I could do without, but I must admit she told Xavier off in this issue and was the driving force behind going to rescue Kurt.
I guess my specific gripe with issue #6 was during
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the scene where he's getting beaten up by those other kids. KidKurt's got zero personality there besides being a persecuted nerd and victim. That kind of passive acceptance is so incredibly antithetical to the whole concept of Nightcrawler, that I do feel justified in saying it's poor writing and a lack of creative vision.
I mean, I really enjoy what you do in your own fic, Karl, with exploring the connections between 616 Kurt and Darkholme, their similarities and differences and what that says about nature versus nurture (or however you'd like to phrase it). I think it's far more thoughtful and artful than anything that's going on with KidKurt in X-Treme. I was a nerdy kid, too, but I had more personality than Kurt Waggoner--I'm betting you did as well.
Last edited by M.Hammerman; 11-14-2012 at 02:22 PM.
Well, I would venture to guess a Dazzler led title is a hard sell, and when you throw in that it's a title outside the main universe, it makes people even less likely to pick it up. Pak needed names and imagery, so he took Wolverine and Nightcrawler. Wolverine is not so different from the known concept character to make him unbelievable. Kidcrawler is.
Let me see if I can articulate this. Some NC fans dislike Darkholme because he is such an anti-Kurt Wagner -- an opposite, in many ways. But for that to be so clear, there have to be some fundamental similarities, right? The most obvious is the visual one -- the same iconic imagery is used, just with an eye-colour change and a tattoo. Similar fighting/movement style, same speech pattern.
The other, not so obvious thing, is that the characters do have some personality similarities. Don't throw invisible internet objects at me, please.
Kurt Wagner, aside from being known as caring, compassionate and sometimes funny and flirtatious -- and Darkholme is none of these things -- was also stubbornly determined, had a strength of will to put most other characters to shame, was often self-righteous seeming and had enough...ahem...confidence in his opinions to be almost unswayable in them. I mean, realistically, how often do you think his friends would get to the point of rolling their eyes and saying "Fine, Kurt we GET it, enough already!" when he got on a tangent about something like violence or Xavier's dream or faith? He was right, he knew it, and he let others know in such a way to make him the "voice of wisdom". It was not considered a short-coming because most readers agreed with him. He was a noble hero who cared enough to nag his friends into behaving. (The only thing I can really recall him being consistently vacuous about was romantic entanglements.)
Darkholme is just as determined to do his thing, is driven by force of will, is self-righteous in his justification and egocentric about his opinions, and utterly unable to be moved from his chosen course of action, it's just from the perspective of a very dark place, and a man raised by Mystique.
Like Marg, I'm not seeing any commonality in KidKurt. We just have a little blue guy with a tail who can teleport -- if you get down to it, the same similarities with the bamfs. Maybe there is common ground with Evo Kurt from cartoons, maybe not.
Anyhow, just opinions.
Last edited by Sundowhn; 11-14-2012 at 02:58 PM.