Steven Sanders is apearently doing the artwork for W&TXM #19 and is looking for cameos ideas. I had a humble suggestion...
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Last edited by DevilishRogue; 07-12-2012 at 10:15 PM.
R.I.P Kurt Wagner <3
It seems more and more that they just don't know what they're doing full-stop.
One problem is that by trying to appeal to potential new readers, they lose old readers, conversely, they claim that if they appeal to long-time readers, it is a turn-off for new ones (continuity, etc). It didn't seem to be much of a problem in the Marvel comic hey-day, but then again they weren't such an expansive industry then that included so many different versions of the character. Way back when, the only real representations of characters were found in comics. Now that imagery conflicts with the movie-verse, the evo-verse, the tv-verse, the game-verse, etc. If new readers happen to stumble into comics, they (I think) probably come in with no idea what the real story of the characters are, unless they've bothered to research. Nightcrawler was partially a victim of this, and partially a victim of not fitting into the easy-to-write stereotype pushed by the main office. He was a character you had to know the story of, and think about how to depict. His morals also conflicted with the Big Exciting Idea of the Summers saga leading into AvX.
Marvel's attempt to cater to the latter group has led to shock story-telling, plot-centred comics rather than character themed (barring the most popular of course) and a disregard for continuity. They are hiring writers who buy into this, it seems, if you follow interviews.
This whole new design that came in with Joey Q has held sway for over a decade. In that time, the message has been sent over and over that it just isn't "safe" to get attached to characters or even team line-ups. They have a total disregard for long-term fans, and even seem to make fun of them for getting so emotional over characters. What else keeps people consistently purchasing comics if not the characters and a psychological investment in them? Makes no sense.
It seems to me that there are only the main four X-Men that are in no real danger of being killed off for a plot or disappearing into comic limbo. They get consistent development at the expense of other characters. They'll also show up in multiple titles.
Wolverine -- no way he's going anywhere. The best way to sell a title is to have him in it. The movies just cemented this.
Cyclops -- the representative of the X-Men and a huge editorial favourite. The Summers family with Scott as the head has been the focus of Marvel for ages. Though it seems that they might be grooming Havok to replace him on the short-term. We'll see.
Storm -- the only non-white character to make the big-time. She's not going anywhere and will be used in multiple titles. Regardless of how writers use her, she keeps the X-Men politically correct.
Rogue -- sexy (insert snort of laughter), ass-kicking southern belle with a recognizable character image. Both an editorial favourite and a fanboy fantasy. Like a cockroach, she always turns up.
Marvel is undermining themselves by only putting value on these four. How many stories can you tell just with these guys before they grow utterly stale?
Last edited by Sundowhn; 07-13-2012 at 02:53 AM.
Much as I prefer to avoid discussing religion, I can't help suggesting the conflict might be broader than that, that it might be about morals in general rather than a specific doctrine or set of beliefs. I have to admit I'm a bit uncomfortable with the argument that the mistreatment of Kurt is specifically about Christian-bashing in that from my perspective, Christianity seems pretty dominant across the Western world... Bottom line, I agree with D-Rogue that atheist characters with brains and morals (like Beast) have it just as bad.
This is the issue I was trying to figure out whether I'd just dreamed up a few days ago, where Fury tricks Kurt into teleporting away a body part, which started me to thinking about how freaking scary teleporting is... Also, getting back to morals, this issue was actually pretty interesting in general for highlighting the conflict between a Fury/SHIELD way of doing things versus a Kurt/good kind of X-Men way of doing things. It's a conflict I'd like to see exploited more often these days.
Remember when we were discussing that red mark over Darkholme's left eye? A friend of mine suggested that it was related to the Crimson Dawn, so I looked that up. Dunno if the artist intended that, but it sure fits. However, that just brings up the question of what happened and what is his connection to the Crimson Dawn.
When I had added something about the tattoo in a story, I did some AoA research and found references where people who had been taken prisoner by Apocalypse or put in the breeding pens were marked. Then again AoA Jean has the mark, and hers apparently came from Sinister. Be nice if it was explained, though.
I think Schism, as a general rule, was intended to highlight conflicts in the way you mentioned. It just didn't necessarily work as intended because Logan was on the Gold side, who were suppose to be more of the good guy thing. Scott and the Utopia bunch were intended to be the militant extremists, from what I gathered.
I DO LOVE those scans you posted Marg. I love that annual to pieces! :-D
Last edited by DevilishRogue; 07-13-2012 at 12:13 PM.
R.I.P Kurt Wagner <3
It is also the matter of other characters -- most notably Kurt -- being used as a way to advance Logan's character development, rather than their own. I have a major problem with that, but then it isn't just Wolverine either, you see the same thing with Namor and Emma for Scott and actually both Magneto and Gambit for Rogue. The supporting characters are expendable to highlight the editor's choice of a main character.
Saying that, I agree that Logan's actions in Schism were probably a result of a type of loyalty to Kurt's memory and Kurt's belief in Xavier's dream. He has to know how horrified Kurt would be with Scott's increased militaristic tone against humanity.