Iron Fist Appreciation

[taozen]

What are some of everyone's favorite Iron Fist fights? Does he have any epic battles?

You would think that it would be battle with Steel Serpent/Phoenix? I did enjoy his fight with Steel Serpent in the classic Marvel Team-Up.

Possessed Iron fist had a cool fight with Black Panther.

But I cannot think of any epic fights. I thought the tournament in immortal was going to have them but most of the other immortal weapons had cooler fights. I thought that the fight with Davos at the end of the "Last Iron Fist Story" was going to be epic, but the fight was interrupted. Maybe you guys can help me out. What are the great Iron Fist fights?

[mdg1]

One of the things I hope Duane Swierczynski does is end the "I have no confidence" Iron Fist.

Unlikely. He spent most of the "Mortal Iron Fist" arc getting beaten up, and only won by "fighting like an 8-year old".

[taozen]

Unlikely. He spent most of the "Mortal Iron Fist" arc getting beaten up, and only won by "fighting like an 8-year old".

It seems that Danny is the least confident great fighter in the Marvel Universe. It is as if he was not the best fighter of his generation in K'un-L'un. A city where everyone is a martial artist. It does not make sense. Great fighters are usually extremely confident. I like Danny being aloof, but not lacking confidence. He is not a child anymore.

[Chase_Stein]

It seems that Danny is the least confident great fighter in the Marvel Universe. It is as if he was not the best fighter of his generation in K'un-L'un. A city where everyone is a martial artist. It does not make sense. Great fighters are usually extremely confident. I like Danny being aloof, but not lacking confidence. He is not a child anymore.

Sure, he's goofy at times. But, he is confident when he needs to be. Like for example, his battle against Davos and saving K'un Lun. Last arc made him less confident because he knew what was coming. Unlike the his Iron Fist predecessors, he knew that the C'hi Lin was the one destined to kill him. So, there was a lot of doubt and confusion going on in his mind. And I like him like that. Although I hated how the whole thing was resolved (acting like a child and all), I liked the way he handled everything. He handled it by relying on his heart. I think that unlike the ones before him, Danny has the most heart of all the Iron Fists (which makes his chest tattoo quite appropriate), even the Immortal Weapons bonded with him (they were practically enemies).

As for the whole confidence issue, I think it would make him boring if he's confident all the time. If I'm correct, he was somewhat like that during his first appearances and during his 1st series. He was just some martial artist who knew nothing but to fight. He was even a little bit sexist. Boring, IMHO. Thankfully, Luke Cage, Colleen, and Misty changed him... :D

[taozen]

Sure, he's goofy at times. But, he is confident when he needs to be. Like for example, his battle against Davos and saving K'un Lun. Last arc made him less confident because he knew what was coming. Unlike the his Iron Fist predecessors, he knew that the C'hi Lin was the one destined to kill him. So, there was a lot of doubt and confusion going on in his mind. And I like him like that. Although I hated how the whole thing was resolved (acting like a child and all), I liked the way he handled everything. He handled it by relying on his heart. I think that unlike the ones before him, Danny has the most heart of all the Iron Fists (which makes his chest tattoo quite appropriate), even the Immortal Weapons bonded with him (they were practically enemies).

As for the whole confidence issue, I think it would make him boring if he's confident all the time. If I'm correct, he was somewhat like that during his first appearances and during his 1st series. He was just some martial artist who knew nothing but to fight. He was even a little bit sexist. Boring, IMHO. Thankfully, Luke Cage, Colleen, and Misty changed him... :D

I do not mind him being goofy at times especially in social situations. But through the years Danny has been portrayed as having a lack of confidence in fighting.

In my opinion Iron Fist best moment is in Incredible Hulk #300. The hulk is on a rampage and numerous heroes come out to try and stop him before Dr. Strange sent him to another dimension. Anyway Power Man & Iron Fist show up and I think the Hulk throws someone and Luke catches her. Danny says "Luke take care of the people, I'll handle the Hulk." Of course he did not handle the Hulk but Iron Fist believed he could take him out. I like the fact that Danny is a bit goofy and aloof but when it comes to combat, he is the living weapon. And writers need to remember that.

[mdg1]

Last arc made him less confident because he knew what was coming. Unlike the his Iron Fist predecessors, he knew that the C'hi Lin was the one destined to kill him. So, there was a lot of doubt and confusion going on in his mind. And I like him like that.

If we hadn't just seen Danny go through an arc where he discovers the true depth of his abilities, I might buy that. For that matter, he proved himself a deadly combatant _without_ using the Fist on more than one occasion. (the Junzo era, for one)

I get the feeling DS doesn't actually think that highly of our Mister Rand. That may be why 2 of the next 4 issues are about someone else. If Danny spends most of the "Capital City of Hell" two-parter being beaten up or ineffective, I'll be sure.

[Sebastos]

If there's anything Danny lives by, it's what he said in the first arc against Davos...."I have the best kung fu." So the confidence is there, which is why I think Danny will step up to the plate in the arc.

[James Conniff]

I do not mind him being goofy at times especially in social situations. But through the years Danny has been portrayed as having a lack of confidence in fighting.

In my opinion Iron Fist best moment is in Incredible Hulk #300. The hulk is on a rampage and numerous heroes come out to try and stop him before Dr. Strange sent him to another dimension. Anyway Power Man & Iron Fist show up and I think the Hulk throws someone and Luke catches her. Danny says "Luke take care of the people, I'll handle the Hulk." Of course he did not handle the Hulk but Iron Fist believed he could take him out. I like the fact that Danny is a bit goofy and aloof but when it comes to combat, he is the living weapon. And writers need to remember that.

Brubaker Fraction and Swerizynski have all written him as a Weapon who knows what he is capable of as a fighter.
He had to lose his form and training in the fight with Zhou the Servant because Zhou, has fought against Danny's Style of Kung Fu for thousands of years, he can read him to well. So by losing his form and lashing out with all his strength speed and rage he is able to beat a foe he normally wouldn't have been able to beat.

The only time he really questioned he fighting abilities during the currant vol. is when he was up against Immortal Weapons. He fought a whole Horde of Hydra, and was only taken out because of a Mechagorgon in the very first issue, hopefully Duane continues this trend. Danny is Goofy like you said. He's a big kid, but that "kid" is a weapon of heaven. And he should be portrayed as such when in combat, and in his other actions.

[Libaax]

If we hadn't just seen Danny go through an arc where he discovers the true depth of his abilities, I might buy that. For that matter, he proved himself a deadly combatant _without_ using the Fist on more than one occasion. (the Junzo era, for one)

I get the feeling DS doesn't actually think that highly of our Mister Rand. That may be why 2 of the next 4 issues are about someone else. If Danny spends most of the "Capital City of Hell" two-parter being beaten up or ineffective, I'll be sure.

Thats why i dropped the series. I became a fan thanks to Bru/Fraction/Aja.

I liked their version of Danny. The confident,goofy guy.

This last arc scared,unconfident Danny was totaly lame to me. Specially after he was build up,grew so much in the arcs before.

[Sebastos]

Tremnar got it right it. Zhou was a different threat and Danny had to figure out his own way to beat him, just like Orson did. The solicits for the next arc suggests Danny will have it coming to him in the 8th city. So I think he'll be kicking ass and taking names.

[mdg1]

Tremnar got it right it. Zhou was a different threat and Danny had to figure out his own way to beat him, just like Orson did. The solicits for the next arc suggests Danny will have it coming to him in the 8th city. So I think he'll be kicking ass and taking names.

I don't buy it. Danny know multiple martial arts, from Tae Bo to the Brooklyn Headbutt. Why would damping down his chi make him lose his ability to fight efficiently?

[Splatt]

I don't buy it. Danny know multiple martial arts, from Tae Bo to the Brooklyn Headbutt. Why would damping down his chi make him lose his ability to fight efficiently?

From what I understand, the big baddie with two heads knows every martial art Danny knows. Using Tae Bo or Brooklyn Headbutt could easily be read that's why he choose to fight like a anry 8 year old kid.

[mdg1]

That doesn't really work. He's killed 65 (or possibly 64, there's a contradiction in Bei Bang-Wen's story) Iron Fists who only knew K'un-Lun martial arts... but all of a sudden he knows every martial art Danny has been exposed to (except for Fist of the Eight Year Old)?

[Splatt]

That doesn't really work. He's killed 65 (or possibly 64, there's a contradiction in Bei Bang-Wen's story) Iron Fists who only knew K'un-Lun martial arts... but all of a sudden he knows every martial art Danny has been exposed to (except for Fist of the Eight Year Old)?

Well, he's lived a long time. It's not a stretch that he could have learned pretty much every martial arts know to man. I mean, if Batman can do it why not him?

[mdg1]

I just re-read every one of DS's issues.

Danny basically loses every fight he's in except the last one. Even at the school, the other Weapons do most of the fighting. And the Old West IF also loses.

Orson won, true... by shooting unstable celluloid and starting a fire.

I don't like the pattern I'm seeing here.