The Final Page of Amazing Spider-Man #560

[ShaggyB]

also might i add in house of M wasnt Spidey married to Gwen while being married to MJ in reality.

Was he and adulterer then? How bout after when he remember the life with gwen?

[Billy Parker]

When Erik Larsen was drawing the book her head was the same size, her waist was about half that size, and her breasts were about three times as large.

Haha, Erik Larsen can't draw worth a crap! That's why he's pissed off all the time!

[JamesOliva]

Haha, Erik Larsen can't draw worth a crap! That's why he's pissed off all the time!

Yeah being the publisher of a major comic book company must drive him nuts

[Jim Thompson]

Yeah being the publisher of a major comic book company must drive him nuts

Yeah, I don't think he's losing sleep over any of this -- plus, I really liked his Spider-Man art.

[stillanerd]

Well my reaction to the last panel (besides how flat and disproportioned the art is) was "Wow! What a stunning surprise...NOT!"

My second reaction was "So, I guess Amazing Spider-Man #600 will be where Peter and MJ get back together again, huh Marvel?" After all, Slott wouldn't put THAT much emphasis on the final panel if this wasn't going to happen sometime down the road, especially considering that MJ is just as much a staple character to Spider-Man as Jonah and Aunt May are. Perhaps their getting married again is off the table, but certainly they're going be a romantically involved in the near future. My guess is they could take a cue from the Stan Lee strip and have the two of them in a long-distance relationship.

This then leads to a third reaction which I'm sure is in the back of most folks who hated "One More Day" (which was just about everybody, including BND supporters): "Something stinks in Spider-Man Land and its not just the brimstone." The fact that MJ is with a guy who, by all accounts, is a arrogant, self-righteous, violence-prone ass, her echo of her famous "Face it, Tiger" line, the "magic" reference in the same line, and her reading Goethe's Faust are not only jabs at the reader but also implies that there's something really wrong with all of this, despite all the wax-nostalgia and tongue-in-check "Stan Lee" style narration that has been going on. Then again, maybe that's the whole idea.

[erictheman9]

But if i knew i was married in a timeline that no longer exists would it still be? Would the person i was married to be one to if they didnt know?

Again if it happened in another reality it doesnt transfer over as fact. Ultraman's crimes arent superman's burdens.

1. No one knows if MJ knows.
2. No one knows what she said.
3. If they never got married but she remembers a time when they did..... Well there are clearly two camps on that.
A. Either you think shes an adulterer or
B. You can understand that since the other has no recollection of it via the fact that it never happened.... They arent married and therefor you never where either. You remember it and should try to get it back if you can but if you cant you have to look at it more as if your spouse died. Would they want you to move on and be happy or stay single.

Either camp cant be right as the facts arent out to support any arguments.

Okay. So, if my wife gets amnesia, Alzheimer's, etc., and therefore no longer remembers that she's married to me (and yet I remember), it's okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

Taking it a step further, let's say that everyone in the world gets Alzheimer's and forgets the fact that we're married. In effect, the rest of the world now believes an alternate reality (that we weren't married), but I believe otherwise. Is it still okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

The key is *you* knew *you* were married at one point.

I can't respond to the ultraman/superman example because I don't what you're referring to.

Anyhow, we're all getting carried away, because we don't know that she isn't dating him as a cover for something, so we don't really know if anything adulterous is going on to begin with.

[Tobias Drake]

Okay. So, if my wife gets amnesia, Alzheimer's, etc., and therefore no longer remembers that she's married to me (and yet I remember), it's okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

Taking it a step further, let's say that everyone in the world gets Alzheimer's and forgets the fact that we're married. In effect, the rest of the world now believes an alternate reality (that we weren't married), but I believe otherwise. Is it still okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

The key is *you* knew *you* were married at one point.

I can't respond to the ultraman/superman example because I don't what you're referring to.

Anyhow, we're all getting carried away, because we don't know that she isn't dating him as a cover for something, so we don't really know if anything adulterous is going on to begin with.

We don't even know that she remembers anything. "MJ remembers" is still entirely speculation. All we know about MJ in the new status quo is that she's seeing this guy. That's the only fact we have on her at this point in time. Everything else is pure speculation.

[ShaggyB]

Okay. So, if my wife gets amnesia, Alzheimer's, etc., and therefore no longer remembers that she's married to me (and yet I remember), it's okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

Taking it a step further, let's say that everyone in the world gets Alzheimer's and forgets the fact that we're married. In effect, the rest of the world now believes an alternate reality (that we weren't married), but I believe otherwise. Is it still okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

The key is *you* knew *you* were married at one point.

I can't respond to the ultraman/superman example because I don't what you're referring to.

Anyhow, we're all getting carried away, because we don't know that she isn't dating him as a cover for something, so we don't really know if anything adulterous is going on to begin with.

No but if your wife gets permanent brain damage and no longer wishes to see you ever again, the court records of your marriage are erased from time and space and no one else remembers you ever getting married then yes its ok for you to move on. You basically just got divorced without the legal side of it.

(Likewise id not wish that on anyone or even myself...)

Ultraman is the evil version of Superman from Earth-3 (an evil version of the regular earth, all the heroes are evil). Crimes Ultraman committed on Earth-3 are not Super-mans problems as he is not apart of that reality.... (he seems to know of them)

[ShaggyB]

Okay. So, if my wife gets amnesia, Alzheimer's, etc., and therefore no longer remembers that she's married to me (and yet I remember), it's okay for me to act as if we're no longer married?

Another side to that is.... Is it right for you to force the fact that you are married on her if she does not wish to be in her new state?

[Tobias Drake]

Another side to that is.... Is it right for you to force the fact that you are married on her if she does not wish to be in her new state?

And yet another side of that is that BOTH got Alzheimer's. The husband AND the wife both get Alzheimer's and forget each other exist while all court documents detailing their marriage cease to exist and nobody reminds them of each other, then how can anyone expect them to never see any other people?

Seriously, I don't know where this qualifier of "and I still remember" even came from.

[ShaggyB]

And yet another side of that is that BOTH got Alzheimer's. The husband AND the wife both get Alzheimer's and forget each other exist while all court documents detailing their marriage cease to exist and nobody reminds them of each other, then how can anyone expect them to never see any other people?

Seriously, I don't know where this qualifier of "and I still remember" even came from.

Its the internet assumption that Mj whispered "let me remember".

Im still shocked that people are still trying to play this the way they are.

1st Mephisto was the devil
then its pete and mj lived in sin
now its adultery

Face it people, if mephisto was the devil as you wanted and he didnt take there souls just there minds, wouldnt them living in sin and adultery be exactly what he wanted to see happen? Why is everyone so shocked by it?

Moving back to the real world
Mephisto isnt the devil.
People "live in sin" all the time and are still church going good people
and No one knows if MJ remembers or if she is even sleeping with the dude.... Did it ever occur to anyone that pete being a paparazzi photographer would get him close to her where in some of the clues shes dropping could lead him to discover the truth and fix it? Is it too much for anti-BND people to wait and see?

[andy khouri]

THE RETURN: Slott talks "Amazing Spider-Man"

On sale now, “Amazing Spider-Man” #560 comes with huge implications for Peter Parker, and CBR News speaks with writer Dan Slott about just what the final page means.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16521

[Bugaboo-X]

I'm not seeing anything spectacular about the new "direction" (sans Peter-MJ marriage) that has ramped up series sales beyond what they were. Have the numbers justified it?

If not, one could argue that the dissolution of their marriage was unnecessary; all things being equal (pre compared with post), change for change's sake alone is wasteful if not outright harmful.

[CMBMOOL]

You all do know that Slott just love tick some Old-guard Married Spider-fans off.

[JamesOliva]

You all do know that Slott just love tick some Old-guard Married Spider-fans off.

I like that he's actually having fun writing everything. He didn't come out and say one or another whether thast Faust referrence was planned or not. I'm still of th emind that it is.

At least she's back in the books. Only a matter of time before they get back together.

BTW- Isn't Beast Boy featured in Winnick's Titan's book?