THUNDERBOLTS #120 - Discussion

[XPac]

stop the presses. turn off the printers. keep the writers from writing. This wins, hands down, no matter what comic ever comes out ever, the best villian-centric issue I've ever read. Glorious. Fantastic. Brilliant.

I can't express how wonderful this was. Bravo.

Does Green Goblin count as the villain in this story? It's kinda hard to tell.

[ViciousX]

[Cosmik Debris]

Wow Norman really out did himself this time. I didn't think anything was ever going to top the asskicking he delivered in Reason in Madness.

[jackolover]

I like Norman when he is hinted as being evil rather than being seen doing out right evil things.

Norman lost the nano-chain control (by Moonstone or his secretary, I don't know which), so Ellis was trying to convey how Osborn would react with no restraint on him at all, and we got just that.

I only wish that Osborn could show his true side, because ever since Pulse #5, we haven't seen the Green Goblin unfetted (except for a few nano-chained appearances in CW Frontline). I can only imagine that TBolts #121 will re-establish the nano-chain control in Norman, again, and he'll just be what you want, drwho. But I really want Osborn to go off leash, and SI would have been ideal for him to chase down the BND Parker. Those new deal villians Peter dances with are chicken feed when Norman comes flying along holding Aunt May aloft, shouting, " Hey Parker, (opps, did I let the cat out of the bag?), it's round two. Meet me at the bridge. Oh, and don't forget to bring a blond wig. I so like to snap the blond ones necks"

[XPac]

Norman lost the nano-chain control (by Moonstone or his secretary, I don't know which), so Ellis was trying to convey how Osborn would react with no restraint on him at all, and we got just that.

I only wish that Osborn could show his true side, because ever since Pulse #5, we haven't seen the Green Goblin unfetted (except for a few nano-chained appearances in CW Frontline). I can only imagine that TBolts #121 will re-establish the nano-chain control in Norman, again, and he'll just be what you want, drwho. But I really want Osborn to go off leash, and SI would have been ideal for him to chase down the BND Parker. Those new deal villians Peter dances with are chicken feed when Norman comes flying along holding Aunt May aloft, shouting, " Hey Parker, (opps, did I let the cat out of the bag?), it's round two. Meet me at the bridge. Oh, and don't forget to bring a blond wig. I so like to snap the blond ones necks"

The TBolts did try to take down Spidey in Invaders/Avengers... though they failed miserably. Perhaps next time they try, that will justify Norman getting involved.

That said, OMD has really limited his biggest weapon against Spidey... knowing Peters identity. Now that he doesn't know who Peter is, to a degree he's sort of like any other villain now. He was a lot scarier before when you could do what you just said.

[jackolover]

The TBolts did try to take down Spidey in Invaders/Avengers... though they failed miserably. Perhaps next time they try, that will justify Norman getting involved.

That said, OMD has really limited his biggest weapon against Spidey... knowing Peters identity. Now that he doesn't know who Peter is, to a degree he's sort of like any other villain now. He was a lot scarier before when you could do what you just said.

Yeah, but like you say, the slate is clean, as far as Norman knowing who Spiderman is. Funny though. Norman has been harping all through TBolts about Spiderman, almost to the point of obsession, and if he doesn't know it's Peter, Norman is on the threshold of that memory.

Nevertheless, what BND does do, is reset the time frame back to before ASM #39, before Norman saw Spiderman go inside Aunt Mays house. Now writers are in the same boat that Steve Ditko was in, about how should the Green Goblin be revealed, and what path should the story go. Will Norman find out the identity again, or will we have a Green Goblin that will never know Peters identity?

[ultramandingo]

..........where they keepin bullseye at ? hope norman runs in to him and shows him how they did it back in the day - pumkin bomb stlyle - he'll wish the american eagle was there to save him

[Dr. Chaos]

Ellis wins.

Everybody else can go home now.

This issue emphasizes everything I want from the new Thunderbolts.

Super Villians kicking absolute maximum ass for 22 pages instead of getting their ass handed to them by random super heroes.

Does Green Goblin count as the villain in this story? It's kinda hard to tell.

He's out randomly killing people again probably not for the best of reasons I would assume.

He may not be the central villian but he's certainly not the hero.

[CyberHubbs]

I'll make it a point to pick this up tomorrow.

Norman sitting on the toilet while wearing his goblin mask made me pick up the first Thunderbolts trade for Ellis' run. I feel I owe the man that much.

[Dr. Chaos]

If theres a god in this world (other than Ellis), Venom will eat atleast one of those damn psychic vigilantes, preferably the blonde.

Their misguided attempts to stop the Thunderbolts can not go unpunished.

I really hope Norman finds them like rats in a cage.

[mikekerr3]

Does Green Goblin count as the villain in this story? It's kinda hard to tell.

I think murdering the guards puts him in the villain category, as if he ever left it, when has he been anything else than murderous lying scum?

I want the old T-bolts back

[mikekerr3]

If theres a god in this world (other than Ellis), Venom will eat atleast one of those damn psychic vigilantes, preferably the blonde.

Their misguided attempts to stop the Thunderbolts can not go unpunished.

I really hope Norman finds them like rats in a cage.

Yes people who want to stop murederous criminals do deserve to die. Being right is so misguided

[rick]

Yes people who want to stop murederous criminals do deserve to die. Being right is so misguided

You are really talking about the wrong book if you are looking for love and respect to heroes in Thunderbolts.

[mikekerr3]

You are really talking about the wrong book if you are looking for love and respect to heroes in Thunderbolts.

Thats why this was my last issue the old t-bolts had at least some virtuesm this crew with a couple of exception is just vile. getting tired of reading a book where I hope the title characters die.

[Jake V]

Thats why this was my last issue the old t-bolts had at least some virtuesm this crew with a couple of exception is just vile. getting tired of reading a book where I hope the title characters die.

Do you hope that ALL villains in every comic die? Because thats what they are. It's a book about villains and they do villainous things.

The only way I could see people being outraged or offended by this comic is if they were unaware of what they were reading.