Invincible Iron Man #1 *Spoilers*

**XPac** · 05-09-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mark_S

The real question is which Tony will be seeing in this title?

Mark_S

If the writer wants to "redeem" him, I'm sure the bulk of Starks bastard side will be smaller scale stuff than we've seen in Civil War. He'll still be a womanizing pig, but I'm assuming he won't be mind controlling villains to stage assasination attempts anytime soon.

That said, Starks shady side will return sooner or later. It always does.

**andy khouri** · 05-09-2008, 05:09 PM

THE COMMENTARY TRACK: Invincible Iron Man #1 with Matt Fraction

With Tony Stark burning down the box office and Marvel's "The Invincible Iron Man" #1 on sale now, series writer Matt Fraction joins CBR for an in-depth commentary of the Salvador Larroca-illustrated book.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=16360

**ultramandingo** · 05-09-2008, 05:23 PM

CBR: You're not going to crash the Helicarrier, are you?

MF: Pssh. That's so 2006.

........bwah

**Abrojo** · 05-09-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mark_S

I really can't say if Tony is noble. In my opinion he's not so much noble as he is a man who likes things a certain way and won't stop at much to make them that way, no matter who gets hurt.

We can argue all day about Tony's methods. Perhaps some ppl are right in that the end didnt justify the means in several of the polemic past cases. But regardless of all this, Tony had good intentions, he thought that what he was doing was the best course of action for humanity in general. Perhaps he messed up in consultation with others or overestimated the value of his point of view. Regardless, his intentions have always been noble and he is willing to sacrifice lots of himself (as well as others heh) to achieve them.

I'll would even dare say he doesnt enjoy being Director of Shield, he does it because he thinks he is the best qualified for the job.

**XPac** · 05-09-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by ultramandingo

CBR: You're not going to crash the Helicarrier, are you?

MF: Pssh. That's so 2006.

........bwah

Seriously though... how many hellicariers have crashed since Stark began running things? Between Red Hulk, Ultron, Cho, and the Skrulls the average marvel citizen must feel like it's raining helicarriers at times.

**bulbasteve** · 05-09-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by StoneGold

If we're just quibbling about the word inherent, I think we can let it slide. The point is that he wants to make the world a better place, even if his methods are sometimes questionable.

He doesn't have any set methods though really. Creating The Avengers or SHIELD is just as much a method as the SHRA.

That is the thing, Tony has always been fairly directionless if not totally indecicive, Doom isn't gunna stop trying to rule the world anytime soon. But Tony seems to change methods as much as he changes suits of armor, he is never quite satisfied that what he is doing is enough and that when he is doing it that he is even the right person to be in charge of it.

Edit: and seriously, commentary track. What a great feature. I'm re-re-re-sold on invincible.

**StoneGold** · 05-09-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by bulbasteve

He doesn't have any set methods though really. Creating The Avengers or SHIELD is just as much a method as the SHRA.

That is the thing, Tony has always been fairly directionless if not totally indecicive, Doom isn't gunna stop trying to rule the world anytime soon. But Tony seems to change methods as much as he changes suits of armor, he is never quite satisfied that what he is doing is enough and that when he is doing it that he is even the right person to be in charge of it.

Yeah, but in this case, the opposite of indecisive is bullheaded. It's less that he's directionless, more that he's fluid. Or has had too many writers. Something like that.

**Mark_S** · 05-09-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Abrojo

We can argue all day about Tony's methods. Perhaps some ppl are right in that the end didnt justify the means in several of the polemic past cases. But regardless of all this, Tony had good intentions, he thought that what he was doing was the best course of action for humanity in general. Perhaps he messed up in consultation with others or overestimated the value of his point of view. Regardless, his intentions have always been noble and he is willing to sacrifice lots of himself (as well as others heh) to achieve them.

I'll would even dare say he doesnt enjoy being Director of Shield, he does it because he thinks he is the best qualified for the job.

I don't mind him sacrificing himself in whole or part, but he has no right to sacrifice others against their will.

Mark_S

**bulbasteve** · 05-09-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by StoneGold

Yeah, but in this case, the opposite of indecisive is bullheaded. It's less that he's directionless, more that he's fluid. Or has had too many writers. Something like that.

Well he gets bullheaded when he decides to do something...mostly so he doesn't second guess himself and go curl up in a corner and cry, which he totally was doing in IM 13 during Civil War.

Maybe better that directionless would be that he is more uuuh searching? Like he is always trying to find the next armor or find the next thing that will magically make the whole world not a hellhole of war and death.

Edit: Oh he also did a nice world balloon interview just recently too: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=156424

Nice shoutout to DoS too and a discussion about Happy and that he will be refrenced in the next arc...

**Captain Mobra** · 05-09-2008, 06:34 PM

Pepper Potts scans? Nobody?

**StoneGold** · 05-09-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mark_S

I don't mind him sacrificing himself in whole or part, but he has no right to sacrifice others against their will.

Mark_S

Well, to a certain extent he does, as head of SHIELD. It's in the job description.

**XPac** · 05-09-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by StoneGold

Well, to a certain extent he does, as head of SHIELD. It's in the job description.

As long as he's just doing it to SHIELD agents that knowingly and voluntarily signed up for the job, that's fine.

If that's not the case though, you begin drifting into a greyer area.

**Abrojo** · 05-09-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mark_S

I don't mind him sacrificing himself in whole or part, but he has no right to sacrifice others against their will.

Mark_S

I somewhat agree, was kinda against this even when Fury did it. Then again, to me it depends on what Fury/Tony are trying to achieve. But then we would delve into the whole "means justifying the end" which is a whole other can of worms to talk about and probably doesnt fit in this thread, so lets leave that at "debatable". Though i would only like to add again that sacrificing himself counts, he is not selfishly sacrificing others only, he puts himself at stake too.

Basically, his means are debatable but his motives at this point of his career have been shown to be good willed.

**Mark_S** · 05-09-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by andy khouri

THE COMMENTARY TRACK: Invincible Iron Man #1 with Matt Fraction

With Tony Stark burning down the box office and Marvel's "The Invincible Iron Man" #1 on sale now, series writer Matt Fraction joins CBR for an in-depth commentary of the Salvador Larroca-illustrated book.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=16360

From the sound of this interview Invincible won't address much of anything from Tony's actions in cw.

Mark_S

**CMBMOOL** · 05-09-2008, 07:41 PM

I wonder if we are going to be getting a "Secret Invasion" Tie-in/epilogue, either in this title or in Director of S.H.I.E.L.D, due to Tony's part in the event ?

Besides Captain America had an epilogue for the end of Civil War.