Pfft!Originally Posted by botch
They have the opportunities to have more mature stories, but they waste them. Civil War could have been a huge, great, sophisticated story, but they completely blew it, and continue to drive it into the ground today, with the strict dichotomy of "anti" and "reg" characters with no worthwhile examination of the idea of super powers and responsibility. Secret Invasion could be just as great as Civil War could've been, but instead of focusing on what a dangerous idea a race of aliens that can look and act like anyone would be, especially if they infiltrated everything from our super society to our government, they're playing it like a goofy version of "The Thing" with spandex.
Unless by "adult" you mean "more blood, cursing, and sideboob," no, Marvel isn't doing anything more concretely mature than DC.
Go !@#$ yourself.
By the way, thanks to everyone who helped fill in the stuff that seemed kind of unclear, i.e. the Buddy Blank/OMAC Scene's true Earth, and the like. Much appreciated. I'd say that it would make more sense and the writers have some explaining to do... but that'd be redundant, I suppose.
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I think the only two bits of countdown that I would say were good and that I liked was Jason Todd the whole way through (thank god he finally killed a joker) and Piper's ending. In fact Piper and Trickster together were my favourite parts of the whole series. There was a good flow to their journey I thought...
Subjectively, I might be able to agree with you, because there are certainly some bad comics coming out from DC these days. However, your opinion is focused on mainstream superhero comics, which are mainly crap these days compared to better work published in the '70s and '80s. Marvel's mainstream superhero comics are somewhat more mature than DC's mainstream superhero comics, mainly due to excellent work by Brubaker, Fraction, and BKV.
But DC also publishes the Vertigo line, consistently delivering comics of a level of depth and maturity far beyond anything Marvel has ever put out. For example, the recent conclusion to Y, the Last Man was one of the most perfect comics that I've ever read in over three decades, a work of stunning originality and breathtaking cinematic transitions. If the best comics you've been reading are from mega-stupid DC or Marvel events like Civil War and Infinite Crisis, I envy you, because there are so many better comics that you can look forward to reading some day.
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And I'd put Ennis' Punisher Max against pretty much anything Vertigo has released. The Slavers is one of the most profound brutal stories i've ever read.
Ok, Marvel does have some pretty good titles coming out, but you are glossing over quite a lot of DC titles, some cancelled, some not.
These books are just as good and sophisticated as Marvel stuff, and don't act like there isn't any crap from Marvel either. You are putting Marvel on too high of a pedestal.
And no, MAX Punisher is not the equivalent against the best of Vertigo. No way. Not stuff like Ys, Fables, Hellblazer, Scalped, etc. 100 Bullets? Maybe, but not the best of Vertigo.
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T-MINUS concludes as Justin and Brian take a last look at DC's yearlong Countdown to Final Crisis, and what its final issue portends for the DC Universe going forward.
I guess Paul didn't enjoy my finely worded retort. Well, short version: botch, you're full of crap. Marvel's superhero books are just as immature and banal as DC's superhero books. Daredevil and Captain America aside (because even Iron Fist is, at heart, a chop-socky title), almost all of Marvel's books are about people in tights beating up other people in tights. Nothing sophisticated and definitely nothing "art house" about it. That's one hilariously fanboyish opinion you have of Marvel, captain.
Oh, and Green Lantern, while entertaining, is still a really mediocre title. Not even worth comparing to Daredevil or Captain America. Batman, The Spirit, Jonah Hex, All-Star Superman. Those books are comparable.
Go !@#$ yourself.
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Just a quick question, now that the 52 weeks have passed.
When did "mature and serious" become synonymous with apocalyptic in the Marvel and DC lexicons?
I'm sitting here imagining a conversation in the DC editorial offices . . .
"SECRET Invasion, huh? Well, we'll have a PUBLIC Invasion. By GODS! EVIL gods! And while we're at it, we'll kill off one of OUR iconic characters that's been around since the 40's! HAH!!!"
Hasn't Alan Moore and Neil Gaimen taught these people that there's more interest in a few good ideas thoughtfully explored than there is in 32 pages of carnage?
Countdown was pure C-R-A-P.
Thus do I write the first chapter of my new scripture. And the first verse is "Let it all burn."