The James "Sawyer" Ford Scoundrel Award

[Monty_Cristo]

just keeping up the trend of villain polls. this one deals with unscrupulous characters. i limited to 5 to make it more difficult. please vote for one.


Black Tom Cassidy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...mseanmaeve.png

Gambit http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/i...gambit_400.jpg

Paladin http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/i...aladin_400.jpg

Ant-Man http://bp2.blogger.com/_RM1nTPpMDEc/...roreo_+038.jpg

Junta http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/i...-junta_400.jpg

[claimtosubclaim]

Well, Ant Man is the dirtiest of the dirty dogs, but overall Gambit is more like Sawyer both physically and characteristically. I'm torn.

[Bryson the Red]

I <3 Ant-Man

[Monty_Cristo]

Well, Ant Man is the dirtiest of the dirty dogs, but overall Gambit is more like Sawyer both physically and characteristically. I'm torn.

don't be. if Remy is more like him, then vote Gambit. i mostly picked those who kind of fit that stock character mold. Junta's a con man like Sawyer. Eric was more like Sawyer towards the end of his series (after he actually got a girlfriend). Paladin is the love em and leave em type. and Tom was once at a point where he could have gone either way but chose villainy because of a girl. :)

I <3 Ant-Man

i <3 ant-man antics! but Eric's unlovable. :D

[TotalWorldDomination]

if we are indeed basing it on James "Sawyer" Ford, then you have to pick ant man. No character in marvel is as big of a !@#$&#37;!# as Sawyer... except for Eric. He's the only one you CAN pick.

In Other News- Lost is awesome. But that's totaly off topic.

[Monty_Cristo]

if we are indeed basing it on James "Sawyer" Ford, then you have to pick ant man. No character in marvel is as big of a !@#$&#37;!# as Sawyer... except for Eric. He's the only one you CAN pick.

In Other News- Lost is awesome. But that's totaly off topic.

i'm stuck at work and don't have cable, so i'm screwed. and just to play devil's advocate, Sawyer is pretty much the tv version of Gambit. history-wise, Gambit is the shady character who can't shake his criminal past. his on-again off-again relationship is a lot like Sawyer and Kate's. they are both tall southerners with longish hair. both had been con men/thieves. both have made plays at redemption but still encountered distrust from their supposed "families." i'm guessing that's why they sought out the actor to play Gambit in the x-men movies. but, anyways, Eric has been compared (by editors) to both Sawyer and someone from the television series 'Rescue Me.' so you do have a case. it's just that, from what i've observed, Sawyer is significantly nobler than Eric. i think Sawyer would stick around if he got Kate pregnant, for instance. Sawyer's also a dirtbag because of something a conman did to his family. Eric's just a bad seed. i think his parents might have even moved away w/o leaving a forwarding address.

[Maestro]

Sawyer is more based on Wolverine. The Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is pretty much Cyclops/Jean/Logan too

[a-spidey]

i voted for Gambit from this list,
but Ant-Man would be my second choice.
must admit that i never heard of the character Junta before.

[Monty_Cristo]

i voted for Gambit from this list,
but Ant-Man would be my second choice.
must admit that i never heard of the character Junta before.

yeah, he hasn't had many appearances. he first showed up in Christopher Priest's Black Panther run. from there he was one of the main stars of The Crew series. and he's supposed to turn up alongside Paladin, Nighthawk, and Atlas in the New Defenders series, coming up. he's basically a con-artist/spy/opportunist with some kind of (mutant?) power that allows him to float. sounds lame but, trust me, he's dangerous.

Sawyer is more based on Wolverine. The Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is pretty much Cyclops/Jean/Logan too

there's definately a case for that but he'd really stick out in this poll. his shadier days are long behind him. i'd say that Cyclops is more of a scoundrel than Logan, at this point.

[brundlefly]

must admit that i never heard of the character Junta before.

Junta (AKA Miguel Vicente, Danny Vincent) is a character from Christopher Priest's Black Panther run and also appeared in Priest's sadly short-lived The Crew. A manipulative black-ops agent/intelligence operative/spy/mercenary who tends to play opposing sides against each other for his own gain. He's got some cool powers (specific gravity-manipulation) and gadgets (a floating AI sidekick, kind of like Booster Gold's Skeets). I'd like to see him pop back up in the MU, but I think Priest may have been the only one to use him.

I really like Junta, but I've always been a big fan of the devious Black Tom (the non-Treebeard version, thank you) so I voted for him. Although most people know better than to trust him, so he doesn't often get to employ the "get people to trust him, and then turn on them" Sawyer move like Gambit and Paladin do.

EDIT: I did not know that Junta (or Paladin & Atlas, for that matter) was going to be part of Casey's Defenders series. I may have to give that a look now. Thanks for the info, Monty.

[Monty_Cristo]

Junta (AKA Miguel Vicente, Danny Vincent) is a character from Christopher Priest's Black Panther run and also appeared in Priest's sadly short-lived The Crew. A manipulative black-ops agent/intelligence operative/spy/mercenary who tends to play opposing sides against each other for his own gain. He's got some cool powers (specific gravity-manipulation) and gadgets (a floating AI sidekick, kind of like Booster Gold's Skeets). I'd like to see him pop back up in the MU, but I think Priest may have been the only one to use him.

I really like Junta, but I've always been a big fan of the devious Black Tom (the non-Treebeard version, thank you) so I voted for him. Although most people know better than to trust him, so he doesn't often get to employ the "get people to trust him, and then turn on them" Sawyer move like Gambit and Paladin do.

well Sawyer wasn't trusted from the outset, either. he started off on the wrong foot with his fellow stranded and basically only used his charm (or exhortion) to get by. Tom could be every bit as charming back in the day. remember that he's stabbed Cain in the back at least once and still kept the guy loyal to him. but you're right that he's more outwardly villainous. i think most people take one look at him and think he's shady. but that's just the way he carries himself. he used to be quite the ladie's man; like an older version of Gambit.

[brundlefly]

well Sawyer wasn't trusted from the outset, either. he started off on the wrong foot with his fellow stranded and basically only used his charm (or exhortion) to get by. Tom could be every bit as charming back in the day. remember that he's stabbed Cain in the back at least once and still kept the guy loyal to him. but you're right that he's more outwardly villainous. i think most people take one look at him and think he's shady. but that's just the way he carries himself. he used to be quite the ladie's man; like an older version of Gambit.

In recent years, Cain is pretty much the only one Tom's been able to pull the "I know I sold you out before, but it won't happen again. Forgive me?" move successfully on. Sawyer, Gambit, etc. tend to get taken back into the fold of those they betrayed so that they can do it all over again, but Tom's been perceived as a "bad guy" for so long that nobody in their right mind trusts him. Of course, Tom's also got the disadvantage of Banshee running around referring to him to anyone in earshot as "my evil cousin, Tom," plus for a while there he was also a raving mad tree-monster. :D Those are two big knocks against being able to pull off the "handsome, charming rogue who wins people's trust" maneuver like Gambit, Sawyer, et al.

Man, I'm so glad that M-Day cleared up that tree-monster infection and that Tom's human (er, mutant) again. I hope he gets some playing time in one of the X-books; maybe alongside a back-to-villainy Juggernaut.

[Monty_Cristo]

In recent years, Cain is pretty much the only one Tom's been able to pull the "I know I sold you out before, but it won't happen again. Forgive me?" move successfully on. Sawyer, Gambit, etc. tend to get taken back into the fold of those they betrayed so that they can do it all over again, but Tom's been perceived as a "bad guy" for so long that nobody in their right mind trusts him. Of course, Tom's also got the disadvantage of Banshee running around referring to him to anyone in earshot as "my evil cousin, Tom," plus for a while there he was also a raving mad tree-monster. :D Those are two big knocks against being able to pull off the "handsome, charming rogue who wins people's trust" maneuver like Gambit, Sawyer, et al.

well, Remy had Bishop calling him a "traitor" at every turn. and Wolverine definately didn't trust him in the early days. then there was that trial with Eric the Red as judge. the X-Men have definately accepted him back into the fold a number of times. but i think that might have to do more with their stupidity as opposed to Remy's charm. they did let Mystique in, afterall. she's quite "Sawyer-ish" as well.

Man, I'm so glad that M-Day cleared up that tree-monster infection and that Tom's human (er, mutant) again. I hope he gets some playing time in one of the X-books; maybe alongside a back-to-villainy Juggernaut.

yeah, really. he was always in my top 10 villains list. i lust lived that purple pimp suit and shillelagh (sp?).

[worstblogever]

Junta (AKA Miguel Vicente, Danny Vincent) is a character from Christopher Priest's Black Panther run and also appeared in Priest's sadly short-lived The Crew. A manipulative black-ops agent/intelligence operative/spy/mercenary who tends to play opposing sides against each other for his own gain. He's got some cool powers (specific gravity-manipulation) and gadgets (a floating AI sidekick, kind of like Booster Gold's Skeets). I'd like to see him pop back up in the MU, but I think Priest may have been the only one to use him.

I really like Junta, but I've always been a big fan of the devious Black Tom (the non-Treebeard version, thank you) so I voted for him. Although most people know better than to trust him, so he doesn't often get to employ the "get people to trust him, and then turn on them" Sawyer move like Gambit and Paladin do.

EDIT: I did not know that Junta (or Paladin & Atlas, for that matter) was going to be part of Casey's Defenders series. I may have to give that a look now. Thanks for the info, Monty.

Is Junta a mutant?

[Monty_Cristo]

Is Junta a mutant?

i'm not sure if that part was ever cleared up. i'd say he was a mutant. he's never mentioned getting his powers from an accident. his powers are internal. i'd say that he's a closet mutant. even marvel.com isn't sure...

The origin of Danny Vincent's powers remain unrevealed. His body actually exists in a "gravity well," making his body naturally out of synch with reality. In fact, without a way to control the gravity field around him, Danny would implode, drawing him and anything within an eighth-mile radius into a miniature black hole. To safeguard against this, Danny wears a mechanical belt. Nevertheless, he cannot avoid the fact that the intense gravitational forces that are a part of his body will cause anyone in physical contact with his skin to experience disorientation an nausea, usually enough to instantly pass out.

it's possible that he got his powers from that corrupt government he was secret policing for. if so, i wonder if there are other powered members.